What's The Sum Total Effect Of All Things Ufological?

Jeremy Vaeni · Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 465 Location: New York

That "Where are these ufo internet people taking us" thread leads me to ask: Where are we now?

What, if anything, do you think the big overarching effect of all things ufological--close encounters of all kinds--has been on modern society?

For my part, I think just looking at it objectively, every time we hear of a new sighting or a new sub genre great or small, it tells us that our picture of the world is incomplete. One effect of this is that no dogma (scientific, religious, or other) can have a 100% hold on us. We can never say with complete certainty that we have reality under control or will given enough time with the proper tools and perspective. I think this is a giant wedge in our certainty and conclusions, which is why guys like Phil Klass and The Amazing Randi go out of their way to debunk it. I'm sure the conscious reasons they give for doing so are also true, but deeper down it's got to bug them (well, not so much Klass anymore) that this presence continues to make the fact of its existence, if not the particulars of it, known.
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**Skeptical** · Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:55 am Post subject:

There are a lot of times when I think that UFOs are not a cause but more a symptom of society's ills. People are unsure, people are fearful, people feel out of control - and the symptom of this is that they see aliens. You can plug in the Virgin Mary, the Illuminati or Elvis into that blank if you like. Regardless, the bottom line is that people are looking for someone who is sure, who has no fear, and who is in control.

I've often said that the more we reach for what is is to be alien, the more we grasp what it is to be human. UFOs will always tell us more about psychology and sociology than they ever will about cosmology.

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Paul68 · Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 67

I see UFO's and ufology as a product of society directed by it's whims and trends.

It's overall effect is negligible at best. The biggest influence can be seen in the media, which has a symbiotic relationship with it, and any other effects are sparse and wildly varied. Ufology has progressed not one bit since the term was coined. Our knowledge of the world has not seen any worthwhile gains from it.

**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

Well I must say Ive found the whole subject magical,for lack of a better word.Ive seen ufos not one but four of them decades ago and it may as well have happend last night. I know none of this is easy,but in the end I think that those that have tried there level best to look into this will be more prepared then the rest of the world who chose not to.Its been a good ride.And look at the people we have met along the way,all in all its been worth it.

**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2254 Location: Indiana

For sometime now I have put the ufo phenomenon into the paranormal basket due to the high strangeness and occult factors that often occur in many cases and sightings. I tend to think it represents an aspect of quantum reality that we don't understand yet.
Perhaps it is a glitch or other anomaly in the indeterminancy of reality and how human consciousness 'sees' that glitch.
Maybe some people 'see' ghosts, others bigfoot, and others experience ufos and aliens.
I think they are real and not real at the same time...call it a zen thing.
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

and I remember going to Borders for the first time after it opened and trying to find books on ufos,when I was told by an employee that they were in the Occult section I remember feeling a tad angry by that,shrugs,who knows,its part of the fun and frustration.

**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2254 Location: Indiana

While I will admit it's possible that metallic saucers and other shapes seen in the sky might be alien craft, the close encounter cases (with multiple kinds of 'aliens') and so-called abductions (with it's dreamlike imagery) seem to fit the occult/paranormal better. I think it's time we looked for other answers than space travelers.
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Bruce Duensing · Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 363

I think this is an assertion by way of a shift in the relationship between the state and station of the observer and the observed, which represents a corresponding shift in the global nature of consciousness. It can be studied by it's effects as well as the content of the effects. It also represents a sentient participative universe in which we occupy both positions as well. The universe explores itself through us and we through it in a reciprocal exchange. This is also mirrored in the recent discoveries of quantum mechanics in relation to the theories which attempt to map consciousness in these terms. UFO's are symbological by nature, an energetic glyph that if we read it correctly indicates a new model of the universe as a demonstration which will displace the Newtonian philosophy of one which is mechanical based on architecture and engineering. It is evolutionary and corresponds to cellular changes in the body of humanity, which are first attacked, then organize themselves to provide the basis for growth. It is nature bringing us into alignment.

**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2254 Location: Indiana

I'm not sure how much emphasis I place on the idea that ufos are some kind of symbological manifestation related tio human consciousness and global change. The first I read about this was in Jung's small book on the ufo enigma and while I find it intriguing it's hard for us to wrap our minds around these intellectual concepts. He equated them with the Hindu mandala which is of course a spiritual archetype.
Since then I have read a number of books and articles using similar models and the problem I have is how the mechanism works that allows these 'things' to manifest on a physical level and not just subjectively. Can our minds interact with what we currently call quantum reality to create these events? Are we seeing ufos and aliens while our ancestors saw demons and angels?
How do we exlpain the various different and contradictory aspects to the ufo enigma and where do we place events like ghosts ,bigfoot ,and the Loch Ness monster? Are these also manifestations of what Keel alled the Superspectrum? Or are we actually being visited by beings from another reality or dimension that are so alien to us we are interpreting them as mental projections tied into global consciousness change?
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Bruce Duensing · Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 363

**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

Bruce,how do you explain farm animals becoming frightend at the apperance of a ufo? This has been reported numerous times.

Bruce Duensing · Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 363

**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2254 Location: Indiana

Bruce Duensing · Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 363

**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2254 Location: Indiana

Bruce said: