Space Junk?

[dr wu23]

I would think if they were cable cars the people filming it would know that living in the area.
At times they also look like car head lights on a mountain road.
Another case of anomalous lights.

[Bruce Duensing]

I'm getting very interested in this Rense article;

Big Machines Parked In Orbit -
Black Ops, Star Wars Or ET?
Or All Of The Above?

[web]http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx1.htm[/web]

Will,

Have you seen this?

http://www.bigelowaerospace.com/genesis_II/?Video
Check out the video of earth from an inflatable spacecraft. Jaqcues Vallee is on the Board.
Best Wishes
Bruce

[Will Sheephogan]

Yes Bruce, I pay close attention to everything Mr. Big does publicly and a little on the inside from a friend that works there. It's exciting and probably the only real attempt I have made lately to come out of retirement.. Not having much luck though - EVERYONE wants to work on this project! The thought did come to mind that John was seeing this in his video shots but according to the configuration, it is wrong.

[Carol Nistri]

Dr.Wu,I know,when you first see that video your impressed by it all,but read what Skeptical said then watch it again,there just little cable cars,halfway to the staaarsss,oh I got carried away there for a moment..

[Somerville Changeling]

Dr. Michio Kaku on the implications of numerous military space platforms suggested by Walson videos

One thing we learned from WWI is that preparedness led to that type of war. MAD made nuclear war less likely because it avoided preparedness in favor of death for everyone involved. Now, with various missile shields underway, it's back to preparedness...

...not a good idea in my estimation.

What we need is a space preparedness not aimed at our own planet, not in orbit about the earth, but aimed at setting up listening stations under the guise of SETI. Though I believe aliens are really EDH and from a parallel reality, when they make contact, they will do so from far enough out that they will appear to be from another solar system. They will pretend to be our creators (at least genetically) and they will claim that myths of the nephilim in the Bible and the ancient gods in paganism are garbled memories of their last visit.

That's just my impression of the only scenario we should be preparing for, perhaps fueled by both End Times and EDH speculation. All we'll get from Star Wars vs. China is a nuclear arms race in the most overpopulated part of the world. Even India's a problem, despite their being a democracy. A Hindu friend told me when the one billionth child was born in India that it was getting near the time for Shiva to open his third eye and to destroy this age, so that mankind would be decimated and the climb upwards would begin again.

When you have a mercantile interpretation of communism (China), a military regime barely containing a radical Moslem underclass (Pakistan) and a country where the major religion sees endless cycles of destruction and recreation (India), and they all have nuclear weapons; it almost seems normal that Russia's back in the hands of a Czar who keeps the Bible by his side but isn't apparently an Orthodox Christian. Maybe he's just brushing up on his Gog of Magog lore while planning to move the Baltic fleet to Syria, and while creating an anti-western alliance with Iran?

We do live in interesting times...God help us all.

I did love Michio Kaku's Parallel Worlds. Now, if only Tegmark would write a popular books.

[dr wu23]

Dr.Wu,I know,when you first see that video your impressed by it all,but read what Skeptical said then watch it again,there just little cable cars,halfway to the staaarsss,oh I got carried away there for a moment..

I wasn't impressed by the 'cable car' video lights. I think that the maroons who filmed it should have known what they were seeing if they lived in the area.

[Will Sheephogan]

What we need is a space preparedness not aimed at our own planet, not in orbit about the earth, but aimed at setting up listening stations under the guise of SETI. Though I believe aliens are really EDH and from a parallel reality, when they make contact, they will do so from far enough out that they will appear to be from another solar system. They will pretend to be our creators (at least genetically) and they will claim that myths of the nephilim in the Bible and the ancient gods in paganism are garbled memories of their last visit.
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I don't see it in the sense that I feel spiritual awareness is unique to the human being evolved on this planet. ET might be curious about it but they are not going to have a clue what we are thinking/feeling/talking about. I do see a systematic "hive" species contemplating what exactly to do with us for their own derived needs. Can they make us Servants? Workers? Or, should they just devise a way to exterminate us... Biblical Armageddon depicts this exactly if we do not comply or assimilate to/by the METATRON. . It appears Earth needs protection. If the Human mind did not create GOD, then there is indeed self evident scripture that God is an extraterrestrial that IS returning through a hybrid king.

Just my spin and take..We know nothing really until IT wishes for us to know.

[JimO]

Now the second expert on the YouTube videos has also denounced Walson for fraud:

From: Dr John Mason
To: webmaster@rense.com
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Claims made by John Lenard Walson


To Jeff Rense:

Dear Jeff,

It has been brought to my attention that John Lenard Walson is using my name to support his claims about images of "space machines in Earth orbit."

I am afraid that Mr Walson is seriously misrepresenting my views on his work. In addition, the video clip of us chatting together at the Planetarium was made without my knowledge or permission and has been edited considerably.



It is true that I spoke to John Walson several times and examined his images and videos. I was very sceptical about his observational methods, but in the interest of being helpful and constructive, I attempted to give him guidance as to what he should do. I warned him about the dangers of interpreting incredibly over-magnified images. I don’t know what his images show and, in my opinion, he hasn’t yet provided anywhere near enough background information for anyone to be able to work it out.



I told John Walson that he must explain carefully to others how he was obtaining his images. I said he must describe his observing techniques and give precise pointing directions, dates and times of the images obtained to enable others to confirm his observations and check that the results were reproducible. I wanted to provide gentle encouragement in an attempt to get him to adopt more scientific practices.



In one instance, I tried to explain to him that at the time of year he told me one of the pictures was taken, an orbiting spacecraft would not be sunlit at 3.30 am unless its altitude was very high, but he misunderstood my meaning. I then attempted to explain what I meant but he may have edited that bit out.



There was one image that broadly resembled ISS but differed in certain aspects, but it was impossible to check precisely because I couldn't ascertain any detailed information about the circumstances under which the image was obtained. Indeed this applied to all the images he showed me, and I told him so. Again, that exchange was either not recorded or has been edited out.



Since I did not know Mr Walson was recording our conversation, he does not have my permission to show any video of me on any website, and the vast majority of my general comments to him, made in the interest of being helpful, seem to have been ignored or have been edited out! I must therefore respectfully ask that you remove the video clip from your website.



I look forward to hearing from you.



Kind regards,



John Mason (Dr)

Principal Lecturer

South Downs Planetarium

Chichester

UK

[Will Sheephogan]

Sounds like the sky is falling on dear John...

[Philip Edwards]

Rense report part 5.

http://www.rense.com/general79/myst5.htm

[Will Sheephogan]

Jeff Rense is defending John now - I guess defending himself in the mix... without repeatable documentation on this the most I can attribute to it is that it is 'amusing'..'

[Skeptical]

It does sometimes happen that a lone astronomer will stumble across a celestial object that no one's ever seen before. However, to think that a guy like Walson would be the first to detect massive objects orbiting the earth is ludicrous. There are enough telescopes pointed at the sky, many in the hands of very skilled individuals, that, if such objects were actually there, they would have been confirmed a dozen times over by now.

The fact that there has been no corroboration is a pretty clear indicator that the only objects are in Walson's imagination.

S

[TheScamDetective]

Then what IS he capturing in those photos??

[Skeptical]

That's the $64,000 question, Scam. He needs to let qualified people look over his shoulder as he photographs these objects. But, somehow, I suspect that will ever happen.

S

[HopoUK]

That's the $64,000 question, Scam. He needs to let qualified people look over his shoulder as he photographs these objects. But, somehow, I suspect that will ever happen.

S

Good point Skep. The only way you can prove something like this is real is to invite the relative people in Astronomy, Ufology, and other experts to watch him at work, AND to look at the objects themselves of course. But like Skep, I can't see that happening, can you?