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Carol Nistri



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:21 pm    Post subject: UFOs A Skeptical View Reply with quote

in honor of our newest member and hopefully he will find this familiar territory..

of his own.

hmm whats going on here,I tried to put up A Skeptics View and its not playing fair.

http://members.aol.com/TPrinty/UFO.html
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Carol Nistri



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

to give you some idea of this guys views he says in part..

"Perhaps the more likely answer is that I do not see UFOs because they are nothing but misperceptions and misidentifications by inexperienced/excited observers"

is it me or does anyone else notice that these guys are for the most part scornful of others,Im not kidding and Im not being especially harsh. They simply cannot believe there fellow man has the brains to blow hot soup.
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paulkimball



Joined: 22 Jun 2007
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Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carol Nistri wrote:
to give you some idea of this guys views he says in part..

"Perhaps the more likely answer is that I do not see UFOs because they are nothing but misperceptions and misidentifications by inexperienced/excited observers"

is it me or does anyone else notice that these guys are for the most part scornful of others,Im not kidding and Im not being especially harsh. They simply cannot believe there fellow man has the brains to blow hot soup.


Carol,

Perhaps... but you seem unable or unwilling to accept the harsh truth that people make mistakes all the time.

Paul
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Bruce Duensing



Joined: 31 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carol Nistri wrote:
to give you some idea of this guys views he says in part..

"Perhaps the more likely answer is that I do not see UFOs because they are nothing but misperceptions and misidentifications by inexperienced/excited observers"

is it me or does anyone else notice that these guys are for the most part scornful of others,Im not kidding and Im not being especially harsh. They simply cannot believe there fellow man has the brains to blow hot soup.


It's just another one sided bit of sophistry and is not very convincing, considering he discounts and fails to address the Sturrock Panel, COMETA bblah blah..., the lack of scientific research, uses reductionism, blah blah....read that sentence..over again,,he hasnt seen one so all others are mistaken...abit of an ego? Very scientific. This is even worth commenting further on. .I don't see any serious refutation just hot air..Wheres the late Mr Klass when we need him? Its as skewed as the dualism of the other "side" of "believers" whatever they are supposed to be.....this whole infantile debate is a waste of time. It's time for me to move on. Nothing new just the same circular arguments I have listened to for forty years. I will check in from time to time but this is becoming just too redundant...to bother going over for the upteenth time.....we need some new ideas.
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Carol Nistri



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aw Bruce,we all feel the same way,its not easy no one said it was going to be. Now Paul,of course I can admit that some people if not most people are mistaken in what they believe they saw.Theres nothing difficult about that as a matter of fact it actually adds to the arguement not takes away from it. But I do stop and listen when I hear two cops from the midwest show pictures and tell their story of what they saw,and pilots and any reliable source.Yes you can argue that no one is a reliable source but dont forget,Ive seen them too.So,to me at least they do exist.
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HopoUK



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Carol, the same for me. My sighting changed my whole view on the subject. What I and 13 others saw defied explanation, so they DO exist. Aliens, our descendants from the future, or extra dimensional, they are here, and seen by millions.

To write them off as misidentification is wrong. These skeptics should take a closer look at what we are seeing, and TRUTHFULLY explain them, not fob them off as natural phenomena.

Yes, most are mis-ID's, but that 5-10% of sightings cannot be fobbed off.
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Carol Nistri



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you know Hopo that business of most ufo sighting being mistaken identity is something few will argue with and maybe its high time we did just that. Who finally actually and truely Identified the object.If its Misidentified than someone had to go thru a whole lot of investigating to prove just that. So,where is the information that this ufo sighting or that one was investigated and the investigator came to a conclusion based on his investigation that such and such a sighting was really something other than the ufo the witness claimed,do you see what Im getting at,for to long weve all just accepted that there misidentified,yet Ive yet to see any material that shows me that the investigator discovered what was actually seen,thats why they whoever they are feel free to toss out weather balloons or Venus rising,no one challenges them on it.Ill bet if the truth be known no investigation is done and they just toss out whats handy at the moment.
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dr wu23



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bruce said: Nothing new just the same circular arguments I have listened to for forty years. I will check in from time to time but this is becoming just too redundant...to bother going over for the upteenth time.....we need some new ideas.



We have had new ideas over the years but the ETH ufology crowd ( and they are the bulk of the investigators) reject all ideas other than their mundane one of space cowboys out for a joy ride.

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Carol Nistri



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well I for one dont think there out for a joyride,there up to something.
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HopoUK



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carol Nistri wrote:
well I for one dont think there out for a joyride,there up to something.


Could this be a form of desensitization? They probably know that if they officially contacted us, there would be people against ET being here. New terrorist groups would most likely be formed whose soul purpose would be to evict the visitors. And that's not mentioning the religious ramifications. I think that this could be an ongoing form of getting us used to them before they decide when the time is right.

However, I think that this would be a long time in coming. The human race is causing too many problems for that to be viable yet.
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Carol Nistri



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and to add to that thought Hopo,it could be there giving us small doses of what there about,I dont know if alien abduction truely happens or not. I do believe that people that come forward really feel that this has happend,wheather it has or not who knows,but,the results of people believing they can be snatched from their beds while the spouse remains asleep and that the abdcutee is forced to undergo brutal tests and examination up to and including forced pregnancy that may have had an intention all its own. Crop Circles,cattle mutilations abduction it all could have been played out in order to establish that there the baddest guy on the block and not to mess with them.

btw,Dr.Wu I got to see UFO Hunters yesterday the episode that included that strange light the women caught while she was trying to discover what was making her animals go missing,it really was a strange light and to me I was surprised but this was the best show yet of UFO Hunters.And has there been a change in tactic by the visitors,that guy that steadied his cam corder got a clear view of what he believed was a ufo,thats why he got out the recorder in the first place,he saw something strange in the night sky. What he captured was like a lasar show,now thats odd,before we got blurry video now we get these dancing lights.Before there were dead bodies of animals found mutilated ,now as the women said the animals go missing,cept of course for a beak floating in a water pail. Confused
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