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Skeptical Site Admin

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 1661 Location: Cincinnati, OH
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Carol Nistri
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| I was just going to ask about Lonnie Zammaro,hes still alive eh,thats good.I remember reading a bit of how the late Phil Klass went to Sorrocco um,two years after the incident and wrote in his so called report," I went to the area where this all took place,I didnt see a thing",it was the single worst bit of so called investigation Id ever read of.Can you imagine,theres exactly one witness Lonnie Zammaro and Klass decides hes not going to interview him,it was a terrible piece of investigation for sure.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Zamora saw something but, in this case, I doubt it was alien. There's a very good chance that what he saw was some kind of test of a prototype (official or otherwise) of a Lunar Excursion Module (LEM) later to be used on Apollo moon flights. Of course, no one has come forward with information on such a test flight but, if it was done by a private aerospace firm (perhaps Hughes as suggested by The UFO Iconoclasts), we probably never would hear about it.
It would be interesting to have Zamora check out the videos on the website for Armadillo Aerospace and get his reaction. Check them out here:
http://www.armadilloaerospace.com/n.x/Armadillo/Home
S _________________ "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." -- Thomas Jefferson
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Carol Nistri
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: |
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you know SKep,I can easily understand our government wanting to keep hush about lets say a stealth bomber,but a luner lander?? Look at all the furor that was caused that could have easily been quieted had they come forward and simply said they were testing a new lunar lander,or a new prototype something or other,seems to me by their keeping quiet they caused more harm than good.
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Skeptical Site Admin

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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Carol, you know the government does not have to have a good reason for wanting to keep something secret. That is their default position - they reveal only what is expedient to reveal, especially when you're locked in a space race with the Ruskies.
S _________________ "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." -- Thomas Jefferson
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Carol Nistri
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| hm,well now thats odd,this piece doesnt say a thing about small beings being seen outside the craft.Its my recollection that Zamora came upon this craft when the two occupants of that craft looked up and saw him they jumped back in and flew off.Yet this particular article doesnt mention those beings.
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dr wu23

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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting old case but once again a waste of time to rehash it for the umpteenth time.
Going over old cases will not help us to solve the mystery as it stands today. _________________ "Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
The rippling waters fast as the colors conceal the Green Man."
Roy Harpur from The Green Man
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Carol Nistri
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| Yes your right Dr.Wu but have you noticed something,like how uninteresting the new cases are? Instead of them being fresh fodder there just not as interesting for some reason.
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dr wu23

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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Carol Nistri wrote: |
| Yes your right Dr.Wu but have you noticed something,like how uninteresting the new cases are? Instead of them being fresh fodder there just not as interesting for some reason. |
I disagree. There are close encounters all the time....many just don't get reported publicly. Vallee has talked about this in his books and still has cases he has never shared publicly for various reasons.
But look at all the sightings over the last 20 years.....landings might be down, but people are seeing ufos everywhere and some like Stan Romanek claim contact. I don't see any slow down in sightings, though the types of aliens and encounters have changed over time which imho supports the EDH more than the ETH. _________________ "Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
The rippling waters fast as the colors conceal the Green Man."
Roy Harpur from The Green Man
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Carol Nistri
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| what? Are you saying that Vallee has in his possession ufo reports he hasnt shared in any of his zillion books? I wonder why,cripes he could change the name even the sex of the person if he wants to protect them but to keep these cases to himself seems incredible to me.
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dr wu23

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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Carol Nistri wrote: |
| what? Are you saying that Vallee has in his possession ufo reports he hasnt shared in any of his zillion books? I wonder why,cripes he could change the name even the sex of the person if he wants to protect them but to keep these cases to himself seems incredible to me. |
He has stated in several of his books that there are cases he has never published for various reasons.
I think some of them contain elements he wants to remain out of the public discourse to see if and how often they surface in other cases. Some of these aspects are paranormal and strange in nature and he wants to see if this is indeed a part of the ufo enigma and what it might tell us about the phenomenon. _________________ "Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
The rippling waters fast as the colors conceal the Green Man."
Roy Harpur from The Green Man
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Carol Nistri
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| well now thats interesting,but hes only human and us humans have a life span,I wonder if hes going to will these cases to whats left of NIDS?
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