Ive seen this one before Hopo,skeptics will say that pilots are not any better at observing than the average person,I dont believe that and this is a good example. You know whats a tad odd Hopo.If that ufo had only chosen a course just a few feet to the left or higher it would have avoided being seen altogether,but it didnt do that,it made sure it slammed by the pilots window with its very very limited visibility and was seen by several pilots.In other words this seemed to be another deliberate act to be detected.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject:
To me, these recordings are much more important than written testimonies. These are official blackbox communications, showing us the sightings as they occurred. The pilots have many hours of flight time where they have seen many aircraft in their duties, and to say that they misidentified them is laughable.
It makes you wonder how many pilots have kept quiet in fear of ridicule and probable loss of their job. These types of sightings could be far more widespread than we realise.
this kind of thinking is so simple so clear and concise yet give this very recording to a skeptic and they will lambast it so that white becomes black.
Well...simply because black boxes record pilot conversations doe not mean they are seeing space craft. What they are seeing are ufos and we all know what that stands for. It does not help us solve the mystery or origin of ufos. It only reinforces the fact that people ,even pilots, see strange things . _________________ "Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
The rippling waters fast as the colors conceal the Green Man."
Roy Harpur from The Green Man
but they shouldnt be seeing strange things Dr.Wu,they fly more than we walk.Theve got to know what other planes look like,they understand Venus rising.They dont understand things that share air space with them that do the impossible,cripes what the heck is it going to take for us to get it?
but they shouldnt be seeing strange things Dr.Wu,they fly more than we walk.Theve got to know what other planes look like,they understand Venus rising.They dont understand things that share air space with them that do the impossible,cripes what the heck is it going to take for us to get it?
Why shouldn't they see unusual things in the sky..? People have been seeing strange things in the sky and on earth since man walked on earth.
Why do you and others automatically assume these are alien space ships? I get really tired of this argument.
_________________ "Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
The rippling waters fast as the colors conceal the Green Man."
Roy Harpur from The Green Man
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject:
Think about it Doc. We assume alien because these crafts can do things that no man-made aircraft can do. Some of the manoeuvres they make would kill a human from the g-force invovled. These objects have technology that counteracts this, maybe anti-grav, I don't know. What I do know is that we don't have anything like that, unless the military/government has some secret projects that use these.
Most people would logically assume that these objects are not of this world, so they must be alien. I know that one theory is that they are us from the future, but IMO, time travel is just not possible.
Like you said, these objects have been seen for thousands of years, from times when man could not fly. Back then, some thought that they were gods, or messengers of gods, but in this day and age of increasing atheism, the main conclusion is alien.
Hopo said,"Think about it Doc. We assume alien because these crafts can do things that no man-made aircraft can do. Some of the manoeuvres they make would kill a human from the g-force invovled. These objects have technology that counteracts this, maybe anti-grav, I don't know. What I do know is that we don't have anything like that, unless the military/government has some secret projects that use these. "
Hopol and carol,
Those are faulty assumptions imo. The only thing we can say scientifically is that they are unknowns.
They could be plasma or other phenom we haven't even guessed at yet. Our level of science is still in it's infancy. It is a gross mistake to automatically assume they are 'space aliens'. They could be...but we should not assume that. _________________ "Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
The rippling waters fast as the colors conceal the Green Man."
Roy Harpur from The Green Man
why do you call it a Gross Mistake Dr.Wu,it seems to me that making the asumption of space aliens is perfectly normal given what we know about our own arsenal of flying objects,to go into realms we know nothing about seems incredibly presumptive.In other words it seems to me that the next step here is to accept that#1 were being visited and a close #2 that those flying objects are being guided by pilots that havent graduated from any Air Force acadamy on earth,that seems to be both logical and normal.Shrugs,I just dont get any other explanation or why the heck theve been accepted at all.I cant help but feel that giving credibility to explanations that are far far more implausable than simple alien in alien craft makes us feel better,it removes the situation to a point that we need not concern ourselves with it,weve put the whole matter into a sort of safe zone. How many of us after hearing tales of trolls and witches worried about such when morning came,none Im thinking.But talk to abductees and fear of a repeat abduction is always with them
why do you call it a Gross Mistake Dr.Wu,it seems to me that making the asumption of space aliens is perfectly normal given what we know about our own arsenal of flying objects,to go into realms we know nothing about seems incredibly presumptive.In other words it seems to me that the next step here is to accept that#1 were being visited and a close #2 that those flying objects are being guided by pilots that havent graduated from any Air Force acadamy on earth,that seems to be both logical and normal.Shrugs,I just dont get any other explanation or why the heck theve been accepted at all.I cant help but feel that giving credibility to explanations that are far far more implausable than simple alien in alien craft makes us feel better,it removes the situation to a point that we need not concern ourselves with it,weve put the whole matter into a sort of safe zone. How many of us after hearing tales of trolls and witches worried about such when morning came,none Im thinking.But talk to abductees and fear of a repeat abduction is always with them
Because as of yet we simply do have any evidence that they are space craft from another world. One can make an hypothesis based on visual sightings and pics, etc, but then it needs testing and validation. To assume they are space beings with out that is just mere speculation and assumption which is not backed by anything other than guesswork. It's that simple.
Based on the lack of real evidence we have one can just as easily say they are time travelers, interdimensional beings, or projections from the human consciousness interacting with quantum reality. The ETH currently fits human mentality due to the level of our science and understanding (or lack of it..) about the nature of reality. That does not mean we can apply that level of knowledge to an unknown no matter what it looks like to us on the surface. Bruce (and myself in the past ) has been talking about this for days, but many people seem unable to assimilate this and prefer to only think about one answer. _________________ "Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
The rippling waters fast as the colors conceal the Green Man."
Roy Harpur from The Green Man
"Because as of yet we simply do have any evidence that they are space craft from another world. One can make an hypothesis based on visual sightings and pics, etc, but then it needs testing and validation. To assume they are space beings with out that is just mere speculation and assumption which is not backed by anything other than guesswork. It's that simple."
And theres the rub right there,testing and validation,it cant be done. I hate like heck to use the word faith and it really doesnt apply to ufos,but neither is it a blind assumption,all these years sightings now in the millions worldwide and we still balk at the very thought.
well now thats scary Hopo,I thought that during times such as these that these pilots could switch to frequencies that even Ham operators couldnt tune into.
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The footage is not from the sighting, but the audio is. Apparently Radio Ham enthusiasts picked it up.