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Carol Nistri
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TheScamDetective
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Carol
Sometimes the links won't work for me.
But it sounds like the doom and gloom end timers are at it again!!!
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dr wu23
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It doesn't say how long they plan to wait.
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I wonder why a Christian sect would fear the end of the world. Wouldn't this signal the coming of the Kingdom of God? Wouldn't that be a good thing? If they were truly Christians, you would think they would be saying, "Bring it on, Lord. We're ready!"
I do notice that this sect at least didn't specify a specific day the world is supposed to end. That always sets these groups up for some embarrassing "explanations".
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I wonder why a Christian sect would fear the end of the world. Wouldn't this signal the coming of the Kingdom of God? Wouldn't that be a good thing? If they were truly Christians, you would think they would be saying, "Bring it on, Lord. We're ready!"
I do notice that this sect at least didn't specify a specific day the world is supposed to end. That always sets these groups up for some embarrassing "explanations".
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A Christian sect, no matter how they deviated in doctrine, would not threaten suicide.
They are a cult in both the Christian definition and the psychological definition. In the Christian sense, cult is used nowadays when heretic is more descriptive. In the psychological sense, a cult is any group that radically separates the members from their families and other people while exercising control through fear and intimidation.
Christians should not fear the end of the world, because it is actually the end of the age, and the herald of redemption. Because the current interpretation of Revelations involves extraordinary natural disasters akin to the New Age's earth changes, a God denying mystery religion arising out of both moral skepticism and misguided ecumenism, and an oppressive one world government arising out of the countries of the old Roman Empire -- that openly reveals itself to be Satanic after 3 1/2 years, there are many who are afraid of the End Times.
I'm not afraid, and I'm willing to believe that we could be in the End Times. The big difference now is that we have fulfilled prophecy that did not exist in prior centuries. Christian supercessionism prevented the sects looking forward to the redemption from reading history correctly. The big difference now is the existence of Israel, the worldwide obsession with forcing Israel to accede to any demands made against her and the rise of a unified Europe.
Whether this leads to the rise of the Antichrist attempting to trick Israel and forge a false peace, or whether it leads to a world government made up of continent sized polities remains to be seen. We are certainly approaching a level of technology that provides clues to the more mysterious passages of Revelations that simply could not have been fulfilled without worldwide television coverage, upcoming nano-technology and virtual banking and the emerging security state.
http://brittgillette.com/WordPress/
Also, Frank Tipler, who's a bit less traditional than Gillette has ideas regarding the Singularity in his most recent book, The Physics of Christianity. However it all turns out to be, God is in charge and Jesus will complete the redemption of the world he began when he died to defeat sin and rose from the dead to ensure that we have eternal life.
The End of the World is all about Jesus. If someone says it's not, then they're getting it wrong. IMHO, the only people who have a pass to not believe in Jesus are Jews, because God keeps his promises to them through Jesus, but he also told Paul of Tarsus that Jews are blinded until Jesus returns. Even were God angry at Israel, and the account in Matthew is accurate that the crowd told Pilate to let Jesus' blood be on them and their children, God's wrath is only for 4 generations and only on those who did wrong -- so the four generations ended after the failed messiah bar Kochba was defeated by the Romans in 132. God will be upset at Christendom for the persecution of Jews afterwards, and even angrier at the Nazis, and at the radical Moslems of today.
God's blessings are on Israel, on Christians and on noachides among the other peoples of the earth.
So, don't fear the end. Instead, have yirah towards God, which is the beginning of Wisdom.
So, Carol, why is this in Ghosts and Otherworldly Beings? Shouldn't it be in Religion?
I'll pray for those mentioned in the article that they get things right and come out of their cave and live in the world until such time as Jesus calls them home, and also that neither they or anyone else is fooled by a false Christ or a cult leader, or by madness like that poor guy in Chicago who thought he had the mark of the beast on his hand and cut it off:
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