Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: The “allegory of the cave”
Socrates, Caves, and Multidimensional Aliens
"Throughout the ages, many have sought the eternal truths espoused by great philosophers of the classical period, especially Plato and Socrates. Their wisdom, as well as Socrates’ various insights on the nature of man and the universe, continue to shape the way we interpret the world around us, and its many mysteries.
But what might Socrates or Plato have known in their lifetimes about alien beings? Well, with regard to the kinds of aliens you or I might think of (or more specifically, the kinds that would be the likely subject of a blog for UFO Magazine), probably very little! Still, Socrates and Plato did provide some of the earliest written insights into the metaphysical nature of the world which might pertain to our modern concept of where aliens are from, and how they may interact with us on a multi-dimensional level.
Socrates, by all intent and purposes, seemed to be a testy ole fella by the time Plato got around to studying with him. He didn’t like the way that people perceived his teachings as “corruption” of his young students, which included Plato, nor did he care for people who relied too heavily on their senses when it came to the way they perceived the world around them. In fact, these individuals, who Socrates called “ea a-mousoi” (basically meaning “those without the muses”) were likened to being people who would struggle throughout life without “divine inspiration” of sorts.
Socrates’ frustration with this one-dimensional view of the cosmos was best illustrated in his “allegory of the cave”, where he compares human perception of reality to mere shadows cast on a wall within a cave by light from the “real world” outside. As described in the Republic, people who are content to perceive the mere shadow of true reality are “living pitifully in a den of evil and ignorance.” Those brave enough to climb from the cave and perceive the world around them “not only have a terrible struggle to attain the heights, but when they go back down for a visit or to help other people up, they find themselves objects of scorn and ridicule.”
This seems to be much the same case today, especially when trying to interpret the unexplained. For instance, rather than to look “closer to home” for a point of origin, it seems more rational to believe that aliens travel here to Earth from someplace else; most likely distant planets in the furthest reaches of outer space, due to the way their technology appears so much more advanced than our own (and not to say that it isn’t, mind you).
But the problem with this argument seems to be why aliens, of all places, would be interested in coming here? With the trouble you and I have getting around using gas these days here on Terra Firma (don’t get me started on that one…), I don’t find it difficult so much as I find it against the universal laws of economics that aliens would spend all that effort on getting here, even with advanced technology like mercury combustion engines and EMG accelerators, just to cut up a few cattle and play hide-and-go-seek with our most clandestine military aircraft.
I’ve seen this same question of “why here” pop up on various forums over the years (here’s a link to one such thread), and have even come across great suggestions as to “why”, which include the immortal words of singer Perry Farrell in his song of the same title: “We’d Make Great Pets.” Sounds as good as any excuse I could muster!
But looking back to Socrates’ allegory of the cave, what if the way we perceive the aliens and their technology is only “the shadow” in this instance? What if, as has also been suggested by speculative physicists already for decades, these crafts with all their maneuverability are actually capable of traveling through space in ways that “bend” the laws of physics in ways we don’t yet understand? What if our aliens don’t operate according to physics in any way that would be recognizable to us at all? If this great “secret” technology were so accessible to them, that is, the ability to “shift” into our state of being with more ease (and less time) than it would take to travel here from Zeta II Reticulum, then might the idea of aliens dropping by to visit be more acceptable? Perhaps in this manner, and in a fundamental way, classical Greek philosophers like Socrates and Plato were capable of comprehending these strange aspects of reality very well; and maybe in some ways better than you and I!
This is only one piece of the pie, of course; and before I get accused of contradicting myself by those of you who read my other blog, The Gralien Report, allow me to put this in perspective with regard my topic over there from earlier today, which had to do with highly sensationalized 1940s era tales of aliens living in caverns beneath the earth. If we REALLY wanted a good explanation as to why aliens would be visiting us so regularly in the first place, we’d have to assume they were already here, and as suggested by researchers like Timothy Green Beckley and Ivan Sanderson, perhaps the answer to the UFO mystery doesn’t lie in the heavens above, but rather, below our city streets in the cavernous depths of the inner-earth. If anything, this may put a very literal spin on Socrates’ “allegory of the cave”!"
Whether the allegory was Plato's or Socrates', it is apt. We would do well to stop being sucked in by those dancing shadows and see if we can have a look at what illumination is casting them on the wall. That illumination is the only REAL thing we posses - our consciousness. Matter is for charlatans, posers and the delusional. Wiser people look to consciousness for any possible apprehension of that elusive animal we call "truth".
Know thyself or know nothing at all....
Cheers!!
Mike
I must agree Mike! _________________ SOMNIUM MENS est IANUA ut INFINITIO
This is what many have been saying for years that these ufo/entities might not be coming from outer space but elsewhere.
I tend to agree with the idea that we might be looking in the wrong place for answers.
What do we really know about the true nature of Reality? _________________ "Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
The rippling waters fast as the colors conceal the Green Man."
Roy Harpur from The Green Man
well Ole Soc got me thinking,why is it that if its aliens,or ghosts,or bigfoot whatever the paranormal offers it always goes directly to mans fear.If they want to enlighten us or even to get us to go exploring them then why throw fear into the mix,fear is the thing that keeps us rooted to the spot,but for good reason.So how come fear is part of the design of the parnormal mixes offered to us.The only answer I can think of is that either they amuse themselves this way,or their waiting for those that know no fear,or better still those that know fear but are willing to overcome it.So,now what.Lets say weve got a whole battalion of such people,whatever is behind the Paranormal makes sure these very people never experience the Paranormal,do you know what Im saying?
Carol, maybe it's similar to shamanic ritual, where they have to undergo some kind of testing to make sure they're up for the job. Sort of a metaphysical marine training thing. _________________ Now we must praise the keeper of the heavenly kingdom
The power of the Measurer and his mind-thoughts,
The work of the glory-father; as he, each of wonders,
the eternal Lord, established from the beginning.
It could be simply fear of the unknown by people. Humans are afraid of everything.
In most cases of alleged contact I have read about there is no intentional fear created by these entities but a side effect of the strangeness of the encounters. _________________ "Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
The rippling waters fast as the colors conceal the Green Man."
Roy Harpur from The Green Man
well Ole Soc got me thinking,why is it that if its aliens,or ghosts,or bigfoot whatever the paranormal offers it always goes directly to mans fear.If they want to enlighten us or even to get us to go exploring them then why throw fear into the mix,fear is the thing that keeps us rooted to the spot,but for good reason.So how come fear is part of the design of the parnormal mixes offered to us.The only answer I can think of is that either they amuse themselves this way,or their waiting for those that know no fear,or better still those that know fear but are willing to overcome it.So,now what.Lets say weve got a whole battalion of such people,whatever is behind the Paranormal makes sure these very people never experience the Paranormal,do you know what Im saying?
I can't remember where, but in some lecture I was in a guy was talking about spirit world and dream world and other dimensional beings In a nutshell what he was saying is that our dreams overlap a gray area of conscious reality in "Other Dimensional" beings - the horror of it is that their dream world overlaps a gray area in our consciousness too. I wouldn't think I would have to be too elaborate to describe some really nasty beings we conjure in this state.
Taking this one step further - if you are lucid and control the entities in this shadow land then you are in affect communicating to the other dimensional beings in a way.
I don't know - he sounded really good in lecture just hard to express what he was getting at after to others. Hey, pass that thing over here! _________________ SOMNIUM MENS est IANUA ut INFINITIO
I would like to learn to lucid dream, just to see how I could influence it. I read somewhere that if you r dreams are positive it boosts your confidence and motivation in real life. _________________ Now we must praise the keeper of the heavenly kingdom
The power of the Measurer and his mind-thoughts,
The work of the glory-father; as he, each of wonders,
the eternal Lord, established from the beginning.
I guess the only way to do that RG is to think about it while you are there. Most react in fear and disbelief that the realm is actually a thing of substance. And that you interact with "it" even if you are not intending to. _________________ SOMNIUM MENS est IANUA ut INFINITIO
sigh,I just lost another post.Ill try to remeber what I said. Roadghost,Will do either or both of you remember a poster named Geroge Ritter,wait,Will I know you do we talked about him recently. I asked him about the fear factor and why these entities didnt take steps to ease fears and hysteria in abductees.He answered by saying that fear was actually part of the experiment.That floored me,but it gets weirder.Dr.Jacobs in his book The Threat I believe said that abductees were angry at being abducted time and time again,they said to Jacobs that if only these entities had asked they would have helped them and participated willingly. Now that floored me further.I remember reading every book I could find on the subject after we had our sighting,I remember feeling angry at the discription of the experience.How the heck anyone could come to the conclusion that these little buggers are benevolent is beyond me.Should we experience any human doing what these dudes do we would want to see them sent away for life.
sigh,I just lost another post.Ill try to remeber what I said. Roadghost,Will do either or both of you remember a poster named Geroge Ritter,wait,Will I know you do we talked about him recently. I asked him about the fear factor and why these entities didnt take steps to ease fears and hysteria in abductees.He answered by saying that fear was actually part of the experiment.That floored me,but it gets weirder.Dr.Jacobs in his book The Threat I believe said that abductees were angry at being abducted time and time again,they said to Jacobs that if only these entities had asked they would have helped them and participated willingly. Now that floored me further.I remember reading every book I could find on the subject after we had our sighting,I remember feeling angry at the discription of the experience.How the heck anyone could come to the conclusion that these little buggers are benevolent is beyond me.Should we experience any human doing what these dudes do we would want to see them sent away for life.
From the preponderance of reports we have Carol, we can only assume ALL these actions and assaults take place in this "Ethereal Shadow Realm" that exists outside the normal laws of 3D space. So there is no jurisdiction for an "Offense" or "Crime" against the victims. Where are ya Mat Dillion!!?? Dodge needs a new Sheriff! _________________ SOMNIUM MENS est IANUA ut INFINITIO
well now jess hold on there Will.Spits tabacky...Is what your saying that this 'crime' takes place outside of earth jurisdiction? If thats what you mean? then so what? The person this was done to is still a citizen of earth and they should have our protection no matter where the incident took place.They had to come here in order to abduct the person,then they have to enter the home,Illegally I might add,then they snatch the person from their bed and take them whereever,thats kidnapping isnt it? Then they either steal seman or inplant eggs and thats rape is it not? And crunching those implants into their nasal cavity hmm,what would that be,I know breaking and entering...so there..humph..think I dont know nuttin bout the law huh..
The problem being - there is no physical evidence of all those "claims" you mention and the PTB don't recognize the good Marshal's jurisdiction!! This ethereal shadow land is truly savage and lawless - BTW - sign right here on the bottom line for expectorating on the sidewalk. This is not an admission of guilt - it is just a promise to appear at the above noted date and time. _________________ SOMNIUM MENS est IANUA ut INFINITIO
Will makes an excellent point in that skeptics have said for years that if these people really believe they are being abducted then why don't they report it to the police as kidnapping? Why don't they take their alleged implants to the cops as evidence?
But no one has as far as I know. Why not? Because there is no actual evidence to present to the police. If that's the case then is it really happeneing in our objective reality? _________________ "Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
The rippling waters fast as the colors conceal the Green Man."
Roy Harpur from The Green Man
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