Take Cover MUFON! The end is near...?

Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

Formerly Secret British MOD Study Released

The British Ministry of Defense has recently released a study, formerly secret, into the value of UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon) reporting to the Ministry. In other words, an estimate as to whether there was a value in collecting such reports from the public. They claim to cover over 25 years of study, even going back to a challenge given by Winston Churchill (which is more than 25 years). This became public information due to a Freedom of Information Act request. It's a must-read. Here it is:
Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (UAP) in th UK Air Defence Region

Unlike the pile of sh-t in my previous blog entry (for my three readers there) where "UFOs" are part of some type of Satanic or New Age or Biblical battleground, here's a version based on clear thinking and real science. They actually offer an entirely new (to me) scientific explanation that may cover a majority of previously unexplainable sightings. Yet, they don't pretend to have all the answers. They certainly pose some interesting questions.

Preliminarily, I would summarize this (for myself) as a suggestion that these UAP are the result of physical, electrical and magnetic phenomenon in the atmosphere, mesosphere and ionosphere. This relates to something caused by meteor re-entry and is so uncommon that it can't be studied. It forms a buoyant plasma that "has no current scientific rationale". Additionally - and amazingly - these charged buoyant objects can appear in loose formation with a space in between them from which light is not reflected!

These plasma fields can affect vehicles and persons. This can result in a person retaining a vivid, yet completely incorrect, memory of the event. According to the study this is a medically-proven fact.

Are you amazed yet? I am. And I'm only up to page ten. This is an official British MOD document, formerly secret. No matter what you may think, wow. Yet, never forget that the British are the spy masters of the world. They invented the modern art of deception. Who cares. This is one amazing document.

The last thing the UFO Industry wants is something like this! Take cover, MUFON! The end is near...

Naw, don't worry about MUFON. They'll be just fine. There will always be things that defy explanation - and people willing to profit from, er, STUDY such occurrences. And give lectures. And, most importantly, attend lectures.
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

Fader,Ive yet to click on that link but I can tell you that the plasma thingy has been around for awhile. I listend to Art Bell one night about five years ago. He had on a guest that tried to pass along his theory of ufos being nothing more than plasma,I was actually hyped by the idea.But it falls flat. People see ufos much more clearly then that.Let me see what I can find.

**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

here Faber,http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc2024.htm

Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

Oh, okay. You can go ahead delete this thread if it's old news. It was news to me, as a casual UFO guy. Oh, and "this conversation never happened". Smile

I'm still going to read the whole thing. A government (that matters) admitting that the only thing they have is a theory they can't even test or prove is my cup of tea.

Actually, I checked out that link on UFO Evidence and this information was only released in May of '06. Thread saved!
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

lol,I dont delete posts,and someone might not have known about Plasma. The funny thing was I went to the board the next day all excited about the Plasma theory,it was a skeptic that actually said it didnt fit what people have been discribing all these years.

Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

It sounds like it may be a good fit for many airline-type sightings. In other words, it may account for a certain category of sighting. The interesting this is, this is like listening to a government thinking aloud about what it could all mean. They actually propose a theory that they admit they have no way of testing or proving! I've never heard of that. I mean, I have heard of it (from "The Colonel"), but I've never seen it officially in print under a government logo.
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

if I recall Faber someone added that this plasma would appear high up in the atmosphere so it wouldnt account for ground sightings,seen from the ground looking up.

Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

I've only begun to go through this massive document, but they do advise that low-flying aircraft do not take evasive maneuvers in the face of a UAP (such as a pilot perceiving a potential head-on collision). This could lead to an unrecoverable scenario at low altitude. They advise that the danger posed to aviation by UAP is in the radical maneuvers in attempting to follow these UAP, since the UAP are not bound by the laws of inertia, as are aircraft.

It's amazing. They go through all of the various stealth aircraft and the piloting techniques of these aircraft. How this can be misinterpreted, etc. Massive, major study. They go all the way back to Foo Fighters. I suspect that anyone that poo-poos something like this study has an agenda and should be taken with a grain of salt. Likely, they are locked into a position and will accept ONLY that explanation as the truth.

To play Devils Advocate, this could be a deception. If so, it deserves years of study on that basis alone. One way or the other, its brilliant.
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Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

Carol,

Don't mean to imply that YOU are poo-poo'ing it. I mean, who are you quoting? The next question, of course, is do those persons have any financial motivation on the subject of UFOs? Are they selling a book? If so, they're biased.

Just Say "NO!" to the UFO Industry!! (unless the t-shirt is just too cool Smile

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Fabar
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**Skeptical** · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject:

Seems to me that Donald Menzel, the seminal UFO debunker (and member of MJ-12 no less), presented the plasma theory decades ago. Phil Klass carted out the explanation a time or two as well. I don't think we know enough about plasma, how it is formed, what its properties are, and how it affects humans in close proximity to it. It could very well be that it is the smoking gun in some UFO sightings. We just don't know.

However, even if we take the plasma sightings out of the equation, we are still left with a small number of stubborn cases that continue to defy easy explanation. Granted, these too might be explainable if we had truly comprehensive knowledge of the event - but we don't . So we are left to wonder about those. Confused

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Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

Faber,did I hear you call into the George Noory show one night?

Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

No, I haven't done that. Probably somebody "stealing my act" (so to speak). Were they brilliant? Or, "a little off"?
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

I wouldnt doubt if it was part of disinformation,Venus and balloons have about run there course.

Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

I'm curious, is anyone else reading the British MoD study? It's clearly the biggest release of UFO information (in English) that I'm aware of. Those who are open-minded to new explanations definitely won't be bored. I have always tended toward the inter-dimensional theory, but I'm starting to have doubts.
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