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Postby Faderbaby on Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:55 pm

I think it's probably amateur espionage. I wouldn't want to trade places with this guy, let's put it that way. Enemy of The State is good as a movie. You don't want that kind of drama in real life. No, thanks!
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Postby dr wu23 on Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:34 am

Why should he be prosecuted for taking pics of objects in the sky? The govt doesn't own the sky.
I think he should have been more discrete about showing the pics and blabbing about it but the most the gubbermint should do is to tell him to stop taking pics of classified objects....assuming they are classified and ours.
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Postby Faderbaby on Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:12 pm

Yes, he should have taken the photos immediately to the FBI. I was thinking about this and I think it's flat-out espionage. The claim is that he developed a unique technology specifically for viewing objects in a very unique way. It wasn't an "oops!" - he intentionally tried to spy on whomever. That's the domain of governments. He also recorded sounds (maybe). I can't point a video camera at my neighbors house and make a recording. I can't wiretap. It's illegal. This guy is 112% Pure XXX stoopid.
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Postby Will Sheephogan on Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:46 pm

If indeed there are secret military platforms( star wars etc), and if indeed he is taking pictures of them, it is of no offense, however using the internet (wire FCC etc) to export them world wide and represent them of such, would imo be a gray area of caution, I wouldn't do it out of honor of our homeland. Especially if this guy for some reason has been privy to classified information on their orbit and declination. But I do notice he has not really said where they are in coordinates, merely pointing to the area it is next to impossible to figure out the way he has done it. There is a tracking system open to the public on the internet that gives all the information on "Junk" and dangerous objects in orbit, yes, all 300 million of them if that is the correct number. Most of it of any consequence is in low earth orbit heading for a fiery death on reentry.

It may still boil down to an individuals own conscientiousness.
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Postby Faderbaby on Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:54 am

Good call. Of course, you wouldn't have worked at the NTS if you were of dubious character. I guess you can point an image gathering device anywhere legally and it is not illegal surveillance? I'm still being careful not to have the images on my hard drive. It's not a game. Not if it's real (which seems to be in question). Thanks.
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Postby Philip Edwards on Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:01 am

Here is a website link which specialises in observing objects orbiting the Earth.

http://www.heavens-above.com

I take the view that it is always better to report things to the public if you discover information because you never know if the leaders have made the right decision and places like area 51 may have been over- run by aliens, you never know! Of course one would naturally back down if things started getting heavy.
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Postby Will Sheephogan on Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:20 pm

Cool, Thanks for that link Philip, I have been looking for it..
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Postby Philip Edwards on Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:07 am

Here is part two of the Rense article-

http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx2.htm
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Postby Skeptical on Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:40 am

I hate to be the fly in this ointment but how sure are we of these images? Do we really have anyone's word on their authenticity? As far as I know, the only word we have on this is John Lenard Walson's. Who is this guy? What is his background? What are his qualifications? Has anyone else corroborated the observations?

We have no idea how the images were captured or where. What kind of camera was used? Did the lens really have the ability to correctly resolve highly distant objects?

Aren't we all getting just a little paranoid? What makes you think your lives are so interesting that the government just has to sneak a peek? God knows, the agent assigned to me must be dying of boredom by now.

Seriously, where is the provenance here???

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Postby Will Sheephogan on Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:03 pm

I hate to be the fly in this ointment but how sure are we of these images? (No, the images could be low low light vid of conventional aircraft imo.) Do we really have anyone's word on their authenticity? (No, I'm expecting this to be a promotion hype run.) As far as I know, the only word we have on this is John Lenard Walson's. (Actually the only thing he has really purported thus far are questions with the premise they are orbiting.) Who is this guy? (Rense only described him as a "young man".) What is his background? (Unknown) What are his qualifications? (Looks like he has some technical help producing the images) Has anyone else corroborated the observations? (No)

We have no idea how the images were captured or where. What kind of camera was used? (The words telescope and video have both been used, any number of cameras made for telescopes could be used starting at about 400 bucks off the shelf) of Did the lens really have the ability to correctly resolve highly distant objects? (The shot of Saturn was pretty standard for amateur gear)

Aren't we all getting just a little paranoid? (Not me - just curious to see how this is played out) What makes you think your lives are so interesting that the government just has to sneak a peek? God knows, the agent assigned to me must be dying of boredom by now.

Seriously, where is the provenance here??? ( I tend to be more concerned with it's usefulness and accuracy of portrayal.)




(Who knows Skep, we may have numerous military platforms in orbit. I have heard a few "rumors", but nothing more from inside sources)


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The pictures of the guys harassing him fit more like paparazzi stunts then government imo, you will never catch the feds being so stupid, their resources are much more sophisticated.
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Postby HopoUK on Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:07 pm

Hey guys, thanks to Skeptical, I'm back using a proxy server! Mind you I've been having a problem posting replies when the reply page started to display gobbledygook. But it got there in the end, LOL.

Regarding John Lenard Walson, I can't help thinking that he is the only one who has these recordings. Why hasn't anyone else found these objects in space? Unless someone can point me to another person doing this, I will remain skeptical about this one.

And why are they distorted? And they look like the old computer line drawing graphics to me.
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Postby Will Sheephogan on Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:57 pm

Dr. Michio Kaku on the implications of numerous military space platforms suggested by Walson videos;





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Postby JimO on Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:00 am

[quote="Will Sheephogan"]Dr. Michio Kaku on the implications of numerous military space platforms suggested by Walson videos;


Rats, I was hoping that Kaku had endorsed the Walson images as legitimate. That WOULD have been newsworthy.
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Postby Will Sheephogan on Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:41 am

It's significant to me that he DIDN'T discredit the videos either Jim.
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Postby Skeptical on Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:14 pm

I get the impression that the video and Kaku's comments have nothing to do with each other. Kaku could have made those comments anytime in the last 20 years. He makes no direct reference to the video only to Star Wars-type initiatives in general. i think someone just added the audio to the video with the idea that they would give the impression that Kaku was weighing in on the video.

Again, I think these images are highly suspect. You think some lone-wolf could have identified these objects and the Soviets, Chinese and half a dozen other governments haven't? You think for a minute they would stay quiet about it if they did know? Of course not. they would be on the floor of the UN condemning the US for destabilizing the world.

This video is just the latest chapter in the now-continuous flow of hoaxes that are being foisted on the UFO and conspiracy communities.

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