Shroud of Turin debate continues

roadghost · Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 148

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**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2254 Location: Indiana

IMO it's probably the death shroud of DeMolay when the Church murdered him and the other Templars. It looks just like desciptions and known drawings of him from the middle ages. It doesn't look like a middle eastern Jew imo.

There are also some indications it might have been created in Europe by a wealthy family who usd it to get donations from believers.

I think the odds are astronomical against it being the shroud of Jesus.
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roadghost · Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 148

As to claims of it's authenticity I too think it looks a bit too much like an Euro/medieval image of Christ for comfort. The three dimensional properties of the cloth do make it more interesting and perhaps moves it beyond the goal posts of simple medieval forgery though. But who or what......

Wu was De Molay the leader of the Templars, I recall reading a bit about it once and some of their members suffered pretty horrific deaths, but would the Church crucify a man, wouldn't it be thought blasphemous?

**TheScamDetective** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: California

I think it is the head wounds that make it's case for being the shroud of Jesus. In normal crudifixions, they didn't crown them with thorns.
Since Jesus was an historical man that wouldn't prove or disprove his divinity though.
The one thing that always puzzled me...was Jesus is described as being fair haired and blue eyed....but people from the middle east are swarthy with dark hair and dark eyes.
Of course if his father was a Nordic type alien that could explain his fair complexion and light hair coloring Smile

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**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2254 Location: Indiana

DeMolay was the head of the Templars at the end and the Church along with the king of France wiped them out and crucifed a few of them and allegedly DeMolay w as wrapped in a shroud after they brutally mudered him.
Here's the link...I read the book on this and found it very credible...though we just don't know if it was him.
There is also a credible theory it was a forgery.

http://www.templarhistory.com/shroud.html
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