So,Hillary won big last night in New Hampshire,now what do

**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3352

you think about the so called poles? Weve been lied to for years about the Gallup Pole and this pole
and that,there a myth,no one can now deny that the media runs the circus,this is so juicy I can hardly stand it.

**Skeptical** · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject:

That's the first time in a while that the pollsters have missed one. Frankly, I think that Hillary did some great campaigning in the closing hours and may have changed some people's minds. Remember - she is a Clinton and both of them are tenacious campaigners. Don't count her out just yet.

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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3352

You know Skep,I try to project the idea of Hillary as President,(groan).Not that its not time for a women to have this position but she should be sound of wind and limb.Hillary cant be.I mean years and years of abuse by her womanizing husband one that thinks he was the greatest president ever and shes in for a rough rough ride.How much will she depend on his guidence,how will he guide her? He'd give his left one to have a decent legacy as President,he doesnt.Most of us remember only the Monica Lewinsky scandle.Hes been cheating on her since college.When he was govenor he cheated on her with Jennifer Flowers and numerous others,so heres what Im thinking.That when and if Hillary ever becomes President she will have a power shes never experienced before in her life.Power over HIM. Will she give into years and years of abuse by this bassnole and send him to Siberia to be the diplomat from the U.S.? Or will she keep him close to her so he can be there when the tough decisions have to be made? Either one scares me to death.Theres something odd about this couple from Arkansas.Its a love hate relationship for sure she trusts him about as much as I trust Putin,not much,yet shes got to trust him to help her make the right decisions and if he does that he risks her going down as a much better President than he was,now that wouldnt bother most responsible men but this guy is a megamaniac when it comes to his ego.Hillary has got to be stopped and I hope its possible but the very thought of her becoming president with him as her mentor sickens me.

ScamDee · Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Posts: 26 Location: California

Carol
When I think of President Clinton, I remember how he left us trillions of dollars in the black.....and how quickly GWB spent it all and put us trillions in debt!!!
When you think of Eisenhower....do you only recall that he had a mistress??
When you think of Kennedy...do you only think of his friendship with Marilyn Monroe??
Clinton as president was a lot better than people give him credit for. What great things did Gerald Ford do for us? Was Nixon a role model or a paranoid man who fled the presidency in shame??
I think it is very unfair to judge Hillary by her choice of a spouse. She is not some wimpering housewife who has spent her life in bondage to her husband!!
She is well educated, intelligent and just as capable as being president as any of the other candidates, imo. She strikes me as the kind of woman who, if elected, would do things HER way and NOT rely on what her husband wants.
Given the slate of Republicans to choose from, I think Hillary would be a much better choice than any of those guys!!!!

**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2297 Location: Indiana

How exactly have we been lied to about the Gallup or any other poll? Mistakes happen in any predictive format or method. Nothing is perfect.

As far as Hiliary; why should her husbands womanizing reflect on her? She stayed with him for political reasons as any woman would have who wanted to stay in politics. I give her kudos for putting up with his crap all these years.
She's a very smart woman who would try to do good for the country imo.
That's more than can be said for the maroons that have been in office the last 7 years.
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**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2297 Location: Indiana

Carol,
Somehow when I posted a reply your post got mixed into mine and went under your name. While trying to fix the problem I deleted your last post. Sorry.
My answer is below to your comments that she should have left him.

She stayed with him for political reasons. She wanted a career in politics and if she had divorced him at that juncture it might have ruined her later chances. Besides as far as we know he may have sincerely atoned for his actions in her eyes and they may have put it behind them in their marriage.
Where are those Christian principles you claim to believe in? I find it interesting that those who claim to be Christians are often the first ones to throw stones.
Shocked

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**TheScamDetective** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: California

I guess it depends on the sinner....if you like his politics, he gets forgiven ...if you disagree with his politics....he is judged harshly!!!
If Hillary has forgiven him and they are staying married...then that's all we need to know about that, imo. Shows she is not a quitter!!!
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3352

man,maybe its just me,but when a women lets a man wipe his feet on her face over and over again shes telling him shes his doormat,what self respecting woman would take this over and over again,thats not a healthy union Im telling you and its got to have detrimental affects on the both of them.I wouldnt vote for that pair if they were the last people standing.And dont give me the bit about casting the first stones,that only works once,this infidelity of his is an ongoing thing.His unfaithfulness was a result of his poor judgement,her staying in this so called marriage means shes more set on a political career one in which she feels she needs Billy Boy,let her become president and you will see the marriage from hell break loose all over the place.Shiver me timbers at the mere thought.

**TheScamDetective** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: California

lol Carol. It's a shame we think we have to vote for the candidate with the best marriage...or the one who hasn't yet got caught with his/her finger in the cookie jar.
Look at Guiliani (can't even spell his name right lol) he has been married how many times now????
Then there is Thompson who has a wife young enough to be his grand daugter and a baby to boot at his age...is THAT a good role model???
And lets not forget Huckabee...the preacher turned politician....last thing we need is another of his kind in office!!!
Mitt Romney....Mr. Flipflop lol
McCain who is the only one of the Republican candidates who MIGHT stand a chance.
When you compare the candidates we have to choose from on either side, I think Hillary has just as much...if not more...going for her.
She knows how to FORGIVE...she knows what being president is about...she has family values by keeping her marriage intact when the easy route would have been to divorce him.
None of the candidates, imo, are perfect...but then...who is???
And if you think for one minute that Bill Clinton was the ONLY president to fool around in office....you better think again and do some research. As a husband, he failed miserably...but as a president, he was not bad compared to some others.
Hillary has worked hard to get where she is and I don't consider that a fault at all.
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3352

is that what you think Scam,that she forgave him,I dont.The marriage from hell just continues to plod on and dont be surprised when she gets the nod that stories of her husbands infidelity dont come to the surface,this time shes a gal from Canada.
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BTw,Gulliani will be lucky if he does anything in Florida,hes hoping that all the people that used to live in New York and moved to Florida will remember him as an excellent leader and vote for him,I dont think its going to work for him but thats his plan,Thompson isnt hungry enough to go after the presidents spot.I think McCain will be the nominee for the Rep and Hillary for the Dems.

ScamDee · Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Posts: 26 Location: California

Carol
If Hillary was going to end her marriage, she would have done it long before now.
I think the two top runners for the Republicans are McCain and Huckabee. I predict McCain will win the nomination.
I wouldn't count Obama out yet....I think for the Democrats it will be Hillary and Obama but I predict Hillary will win the nomination in a very close race.

**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3352

well Hillary won Nevada and South Carolina is next,this is supposed to be Obamas best chance lets see what happens.

**Skeptical** · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject:

It has been interesting to watch Bill Clinton during the campaigning. He has become Hillary's pit-bull - acting pissed off and saying all those things that Hillary can't. Personally, I think Bill Clinton is a horse's ass but, when it comes to politics, he can slug it out with the best of them. I also think America is still tired of Bill and I doubt Hillary will be able to convince voters that she can keep him at arm's length while she's in office. I don't know if that will be enough to throw the nomination to Obama but it won't hurt his chances.

It doesn't matter to me because the chances are slim and none that I would vote for either one. I like Mitt, I like what he has to say and I think he's the only one with a real chance of affecting the change that all these people keep talking about.

S
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Isis · Joined: 17 Jun 2007 Posts: 275 Location: Berlin, Germany

Carol said:

**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2297 Location: Indiana

IMO, if Obama does get elected president he'll be ineffective. The GOP won't go along with his ideas and the other Dems probably think he's an upstart with little real experience. Will he accomplish anything with poor support in Congress?
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