Proving the phenomenon is real.

Will Sheephogan · Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 624 Location: Pahrump Nevada

Red Ice covers a nice article about Louis Proud's thoughts on the unconscious mind.

Forces of the Unconscious Mind
2007 12 21

By Louis Proud | newdawnmagazine.com

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=2506
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Gray
"You can certainly believe in the existence of alien spaceships if you wish, or in transdimensional tulpas, but you can hardly believe in the existence of UFOs."
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I think UFO is much better than ASS = (A)lien(S)pace(S)hips!!!!!
Sorry Will and Gray, but I vote to keep the term UFO!!!
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**Skeptical** · Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject:

I think the horse is out of the barn on the term UFO. Researchers like Richard Haines refuse to use it (preferring UAP or Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon) but it will never go away and the implied connotation will always be that a UFO is an extraterrestrial spaceship.

Someone started using the term TRUFO - meaning true UFO. Not sure that the nomenclature really matters though.

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**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2295 Location: Indiana

**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2295 Location: Indiana

From the article Will linked to:

"Gooch believes that the unconscious mind manifests paranormal phenomena in response to being repressed. In a “balanced” individual, he says, the two minds exist in harmony. But when an imbalance occurs, when the unconscious mind is not given its due, there is an externalisation of latent energies. It is then that we are haunted by creatures and forces from the mysterious universe of our other mind. "

This is very close to the ideas of Keel, Harpur ,and Little that our own consciousness is integral in co-creating these manifestations we call ghosts, daimons, ufos, fairies, etc.
We have met the paranormal entities and they are us.
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3352

now wait wait,Im getting confused here,no no,its not impossible..however UFOS is what those things we are talking about have been dubbed,we didnt do it,sure we can start substituting the word Flying Saucer but its been UFO for so long now that its used in every documentary and every book Ive ever read on the subject. Hey this is us were talking to and I for one hate having skeptics tilt me in any direction I dont want to go in,I refuse,ufos to me are referring to objects seen in the sky that make the viewer question just what they could be,weather balloons or Venus just dont send one rushing to the phone.UFOs as we know them do,and theres a TON OF SOFT EVIDENCE. As a matter of fact while Im at it and knowing full well what Ill get back Ill ask each of you to Tell us just what Hard Evidence would be according to you. You first Gray. Wink

Will Sheephogan · Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 624 Location: Pahrump Nevada

Dern Doc, I was just about ready to copy paste that same paragraph. You must be practicing some externalization ... Wink

I hope everyone here can really see what a difficult and strange place the human mind can be to live in. It is almost as if we MUST face these strange - alien and metaphysical entities - understand what they are, so that the other half of our consciousness can operate unimpeded by their surfacing. In some sense it is necessary to identify, assign names and traits to the entities. Just so we can put them in their proper place when they breach the surface.

That was merely a dream, that was just my friendly spirit guide saying hello, that was just alien from outer space that crossed my consciousness.

There is no trace or evidence remaining of a solid vessel so it was an apparition that looked like a.......disc, alien, etc etc......

One of the mistakes we make is not giving the realm of the unconscious mind the first shake down and inspection of the evidence at hand. If there is no evidence but an image in your mind - the contact IS probably illuminating from there.
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**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2295 Location: Indiana

**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3352

and Will,look for the hint of mischief in Dr.Wus eyes,I just knew it would be there,hes a handsome fellow by cracky.

graylien · Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 174 Location: UK

I think UAP is a much more suitable term than UFO. As for this:

**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3352

I wonder if Shirley Jackson read Freud and then wrote The Haunting,cripes this book skeert me,in it a young women (very depressed) goes to join a group to stay in a "haunted house',she has no where else to go as she admits to the doctor in charge of the group,in the end she dies in a car crash or committs suicide in a car,it was a very disturbing movie.Shirley Jackson says in one of her forwards that no where in history has there ever ever been a case of a person being killed by a ghost or entity,what happens is that the fear induced by this type of encounter causes the person to panic,which can lead to a fall down stairs or a car accident but the ghost or entity never does harm.He or she scares the spit out of you so you end up harming yourself.

Will Sheephogan · Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 624 Location: Pahrump Nevada

graylien · Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 174 Location: UK

Oh, I've nothing against Creative Visualisation as a tool for self development. And you're quite right that thoughts can become real in the sense that everything we see around us was once merely a figment of someone's imagination.

But that's hardly the same thing as saying that our 'repressed' thoughts may take on an independent existence of their own, then turn into a bunch of aliens and come and abduct us.
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3352

"But that's hardly the same thing as saying that our 'repressed' thoughts may take on an independent existence of their own, then turn into a bunch of aliens and come and abduct us."

ah ha! So your inclined to believe this are you?
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