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dr wu23
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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| Jeremy Vaeni wrote: |
Dr. Wu - I'm disappointed in you. How have you not said, "A one-armed man could have friends who helped him"?
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I posted this on the last page.; you must have missed it.(see the last sentence)
Dr Wu: "All of Meier's 'little tricks' like spoon bending, sounds, apparently 'vanishing' are tricks illusionists can do without big budgets or camera help. All of Blaine's tricks are up close and personal with no aids. And Criss Angel also does the same on the street with no help and it's astounding what he can do. These tricks are all centuries old, none are new , just the presentations.
Meier could have easily performed similar feats with illusionist knowledge gained in his travels. The pics and videos can be explained as fakes and have satisfactorily imo. Some one couild have certainly been helping him financially or otherwise regarding the more complex 'tricks'. And it's not like he's going to tell us that. "
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(I think I said he couild have had help before in this thread.)
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Jeremy Vaeni
Joined: 27 Jul 2007
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Location: New York
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, Dr. Wu, that I missed it.
Sorry, Scam, but I'm not obsessed. It just keeps coming to me! I mean I get rid of Horn from my site and Skeptic invites me here. Who is here prattling on? Horn. Then Horn finally goes away and my friend calls wanting me to premiere Horn's movie!
We're friggen joined at the hip I tells ya!
If by "closed mind" you mean I am not so mentally retarded that I believe a known hoax then you've got my number, Scam. I would suggest that the obsessed person is the one who refuses to call a scam a scam....um...Scam, because they just don't want that to be true.
I hope Horn isn't shaking in his boots. I hope he comes to town. I'd love to see what he does when David Biedny--who teaches at Yale, who worked for George Lucas, who wrote the book on Photoshop, who examined Meier's evidence and found it to be fraudulent--I wonder if when someone smart and qualified gets on the microphone and challenges Horn's "data," if he's up to the challenge.
I wonder if he will site all of his rebuttal experts who Dave HAS CALLED AND SPOKEN TO WHO DON'T KNOW WHO HORN IS EXCEPT THAT HE HARASSES THEM.
Scam, I'm beginning to think you're seriously impaired. What about any of the things you've learned about Horn/Meier make you want to believe them? Oh right: I'm a jerk and so the opposite of me must be the truth.
Nice.
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Carol Nistri
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder if Mr.Horn has read Song Of The Greys?
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Will Sheephogan
Joined: 22 Sep 2007
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Location: Pahrump Nevada
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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I was warned by members over at peanuts that that would happen Jer, Horn is a good Rep, he has the tenacity of a 'fly on crap' and that is what you need to sell a vacuum cleaner that doesn't suck like it is promoted to suck.LOL . I wonder how he did with Amway? Most promoters start with something like that and then they move on along endless lines of other things they can promote. My personal opinion is it is a form of brain washing, plain and simple. Just like the repeated commercials we see on television over and over.
Will's rule of thumb, never let a missionary or a salesman get their foot inside your door. But I do have an interest in what 'makes Meier' tick, and I have also had an interest in different religions and what makes them tick too, and I bought a Kirby once too....LOL, Ended up using it for a grinder in the shop. Bought Hoovers after that, Quieter and I could by them 20 to one in cost.
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TheScamDetective
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Jeremy
Show me where I have come out and said I totally agree with Billy Meiers and Michael Horn!!
It's an interesting case and worthy of discussion.
IF it's real, no harm has been done and the "messages" seem more of a prophetic nature and nothing new. IF it's a big hoax, it has to be one of the best to have lasted 56 years...but again what harm has been done????
Personally, I think that 56 years of just photos and messages that contain nothing new is pretty innocuous.
I think it bothers you that some us WANT to see the dvd ...we want to see for ourselves just WHAT is being revealed,explained,
proven and promoted!!
I want to see for myself just how believable it is or how ridiculous it is.
And if wanting to make up MY OWN MIND bothers you, there is nothing I can do about that.
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Jeremy Vaeni
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, Scam, I'm here to hold you back.
No, for the thousandth time, MY POINT ACTUALLY IS that it's not a great hoax that lasted 56 years. it's just now being resurrected by Horn. It's only been a great 56-year QUESTION to the people who don't look at the evidence, or have some will to believe and/or take in all sides long after the case has been closed. The case has been closed, Scam. It's not been a mystery to anyone but a handful for 56 years.
If you want to buy a DVD for entertainment purposes, have at it. Just know you're putting money in the pocket of a hoaxer, is all.
Some one here is selling you a line, Scam. That line is "Here's new evidence. Make up your own mind." And you're going, "Yeah. Yeah I think I WILL make up my own mind! Thanks!"
But really what happened there? Ya got sold some crap in a guise that appeals to your sensibilities and thought it was your own idea 
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dr wu23
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Scam said: It's an interesting case and worthy of discussion.
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That's about the only true thing one can say on the Meier case.
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TheScamDetective
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Jeremy
Carol is the one buying the dvd and is nice enough to share it with those of us who want to see it.
I am on a VERY limited budget in California....things are sooooo darn expensive out here. Someday I plan to move back to the midwest but right now I am here to help out my mom...who is 85 yrs young!!!
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Will Sheephogan
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| Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Back to language and communication again with other species.
I found this article an interesting read from what appears to be a "boarder science " project. DNA (They figure) is influneced by Words and Frequencies.
In fact they purport that our own languages are developed from our DNA.
Full article;
http://www.fosar-bludorf.com/index_eng.htm
Summarized by Baerbel * Edited and translated
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Esoteric and spiritual teachers have known for ages that our body is programmable by language, words and thought. This has now been scientifically proven and explained.
The human DNA is a biological Internet and superior in many aspects to the artificial one. The latest Russian scientific research directly or indirectly explains phenomena such as clairvoyance, intuition, spontaneous and remote acts of healing, self healing, affirmation techniques, unusual light/auras around people (namely spiritual masters), mindâ¬"s influence on weather patterns and much more.
In addition, there is evidence for a whole new type of medicine in which DNA can be influenced and reprogrammed by words and frequencies WITHOUT cutting out and replacing single genes. Only 10% of our DNA is being used for building proteins. It is this subset of DNA that is of interest to western researchers and is being examined and categorized. The other 90% are considered "junk DNA."
The Russian researchers, however, convinced that nature was not dumb, joined linguists and geneticists in a venture to explore that 90% of "junk DNA." Their results, findings and conclusions are simply revolutionary!
According to there findings, our DNA is not only responsible for the construction of our body but also serves as data storage and communication. The Russian linguists found that the genetic code - especially in the apparent "useless" 90% - follows the same rules as all our human languages.
To this end they compared the rules of syntax (the way in which words are put together to form phrases and sentences), semantics (the study of meaning in language forms) and the basic rules of grammar. They found that the alkalines of our DNA follow a regular grammar and do have set rules just like our languages. Therefore, human languages did not appear coincidentally but are a reflection of our inherent DNA. |
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