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Faderbaby
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dr wu,
I never got your reaction to the article by Dr. Greg Little (pretty interesting article). And in other news... I'm Number One on Google again! If you google "protointelligence" you get a link to the crappy version of my blog (the Yahoo blog is a beta product). Anyway, "They" finally told "The Truth" -- and nobody cared. Ironic.
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dr wu23
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dr wu,
I never got your reaction to the article by Dr. Greg Little (pretty interesting article). And in other news... I'm Number One on Google again! If you google "protointelligence" you get a link to the crappy version of my blog (the Yahoo blog is a beta product). Anyway, "They" finally told "The Truth" -- and nobody cared. Ironic.
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I enjoyed the short piece and I think that it's likely some of the ufo reports are due to this phenomenon but not all of them.
BTW, I own a copy of his book Grand Illusions and read it about a year ago. I think its another must read for all those into the ufo enigma. I did not get the impression from his book that he was relying only on plasma energy but also on the idea that ufo events could be manifestations from our collective unconscious as they interact with unknown forces.
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Faderbaby
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Then here's a question: Do thoughts have an electromagnetic reality of their own? I had theorized (a long time ago) that thoughts created physical events by attracting like thoughts until the physical event was able to manifest (purely on a complementary basis). I'm suddenly revisiting this old material in light of the idea that Plasma is protointelligence. This could mean that plasma can be shaped by thought. It may be a transmission medium between different densities of plasma (such as our minds). Plasma may not be an entity (in the E.T. sense) in its own right. It may be much more limited in its purpose.
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Will Sheephogan
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If by using the term"Thoughts" you mean 'consciousness' you may wish to review this 2002 article from UniSci;
http://www.unisci.com/stories/20022/0516026.htm
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Will Sheephogan
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I finally got a chance to read your blogs Jack, very interesting! At least from my perspective, how would you feel if the "Colonel" was your father and you lived with this for 50 odd years of your life?
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I'm going to answer that question honestly. I would feel proud. I would feel privileged. Knowing that it was men of "The Colonels" caliber who were in charge of these things -- in exact opposition to the Hollywood portrayal of them as these evil "Cigarette smoking men" -- the only word that is accurate is "pride". Knowing any of them is a privilege. An honor. They are everything that mankind aspires to be. People who put the best interests of others above all else. Any other portrayal (which is common) is a lie. My way of thanking "The Colonel" is to call the lie a lie - and to be loyal to the death. It's the least I can do. And thanks for reading my blog! I really appreciate that.
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Faderbaby
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dr wu,
Your idea sounds like the Russian study where they claim to have found and measured several new forces. What if Plasma is part of the creation of events? In other words, we think and believe things. These beliefs have an actual semi-physical reality. They bond together at another level (involving plasma) and then, ultimately, the physical events happen.
I think we're on the verge of an interesting century. Attention Kids: get into Plasma!
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Carol Nistri
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| Skeptical,are yee there lad? Do you recall seeing footage of a ufo looking object that seemed to almost elongate as it 'pulled' out of the clouds? I think NASA released this some years ago if Im not mistaken.It might be interesting and helpful to take a look at that again while keeping plasma in mind.
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Fader: Then here's a question: Do thoughts have an electromagnetic reality of their own? I had theorized (a long time ago) that thoughts created physical events by attracting like thoughts until the physical event was able to manifest (purely on a complementary basis). I'm suddenly revisiting this old material in light of the idea that Plasma is protointelligence. This could mean that plasma can be shaped by thought. It may be a transmission medium between different densities of plasma (such as our minds). Plasma may not be an entity (in the E.T. sense) in its own right. It may be much more limited in its purpose.
dr wu,
Your idea sounds like the Russian study where they claim to have found and measured several new forces. What if Plasma is part of the creation of events? In other words, we think and believe things. These beliefs have an actual semi-physical reality. They bond together at another level (involving plasma) and then, ultimately, the physical events happen.
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I do think it's possible that our thoughts could have enough energy to connect to levels of quantum reality we as yet don't understand. When this happens we co-create entities or events that we call ufos (as well as other paranormal events). Keel first presented this idea in the 8th Tower and called this energy realm the Superspectrum. Harpur in Daimonic Reality also follows this line of thought and incorporates Jung's ideas of the collective unconscious and archetypes as does Greg Little in Grand Illusions. Their ideas all dovetail into the theory that we (via our consciousness) are partially responsible for how the ufo engima appears. It has a life of it's own but yet dependent upon us at the same time.
I think it's a very good idea but I'm not sure it can explain all ufo events though I do think it can be the total answer to the paranormal as a whole.
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Faderbaby
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It has a life of it's own but yet dependent upon us at the same time.
I think it's a very good idea but I'm not sure it can explain all ufo events though I do think it can be the total answer to the paranormal as a whole. |
That's quite a statement. Having read a lot of the British MoD study, I believe the author (s) were probably aware of the concepts you mention. I still can't get over one of the three main countries (to be blunt) (US, Britain, & Canada) coming out with a document like this. It makes no sense to release it, but I'm glad, obviously. It's a major validation of a lot of "kooky stuff" that I have always believed was true.
Will, I'm interested in your take on what plasma is or means (and what does it NOT explain - potentially)?
I'd like to list the things that plasma might explain and try to predict where this is all heading. Do you guys realize that the school of cosmologists who tend to support plasma (the Electric Universe crowd) are considered "kooky" by some? They believe it's all about electricity and gravity isn't that big a deal. They don't believe asteroids are a danger, for instance, because there is an electrical repulsion between objects. A totally different theory of the interaction of bodies in space. They don't believe in the Big Bang.
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dr wu23
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Fader,
I'll have to read up on this Electric Universe theory .
Do you have a link to a page that gives a summary of their ideas.?
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Carol Nistri
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Dr.Wu said in part," do think it's possible that our thoughts could have enough energy to connect to levels of quantum reality we as yet don't understand. When this happens we co-create entities or events that we call ufos (as well as other paranormal events). Keel first presented this idea in the 8th Tower and called this energy realm the Superspectrum. Harpur in Daimonic Reality also follows this line of thought and incorporates Jung's ideas of the collective unconscious and archetypes as does Greg Little in Grand Illusions"
do you mean Dr.Wu that we could be minding our own business going about day to day happenings when all of a sudden a ufo could appear a manifistation of our own doing? I dont get this at all,every person whos had a sighting has said the same thing,they were doing mundane things when out of the blue or black appeared a ufo,how does what your saying happen? I should think if the person was putting a lot of effort or thought into seeing a ufo that he might just think himself into it but in the past and in the beginning of ufo sightings what did the experiencer have to go on,naw Im just not buying into that.
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| carol said: do you mean Dr.Wu that we could be minding our own business going about day to day happenings when all of a sudden a ufo could appear a manifistation of our own doing? I dont get this at all,every person whos had a sighting has said the same thing,they were doing mundane things when out of the blue or black appeared a ufo,how does what your saying happen? I should think if the person was putting a lot of effort or thought into seeing a ufo that he might just think himself into it but in the past and in the beginning of ufo sightings what did the experiencer have to go on |
There would be a reservoir of thought energy already present from years (indeed millenia) of human consciousness ,various beliefs, etc,. It would be out there for any type of intelligence to use for whatever purpose to manifest itself from quantum reality or what Keel called the Superspectrum. Think of how people used to see fairies, ghosts, angels, demons, etc all the time in the past and interacted with them and other beings. Now we see some of those things still but also what we call ufos and space aliens of various types. Our cultural mind sets are different and are more in tune with modern paradigms like science and space themes while our ancestors firmly believed in religious and supernatural beings and that's what they saw.
It's a theory and I have always said that I think more than one kind of answer may be needed to explan it all.
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Will Sheephogan
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| Will, I'm interested in your take on what plasma is or means (and what does it NOT explain - potentially)? |
Fader,
Well it would certainly take care of most the abduction accounts imo. And a large percentage of UAP sitings. However we have accumulated many accounts that leave physical trace - indentations etc that lend to the quality of a solid body with weight and substantial mass.I'm not sure radar can reflect or would look the same as a solid objects we have tracked in combination with reports from pilots in flight.
I think the first postulation of Plasma life forms was from Isaac Asimov back in the 40-50's. Of course Star Trek writers used it to contain anti-matter in their warp core engines.
The theory and premise my father mentions is technological infusion from recovered vehicles, this also is firmly rooted in a 'solid' craft. The J-Rod entity could be a construct of plasma creatures constructing an android of sorts to handle manipulation of physical objects. I assume this would make the plasma beings very curious about us and our possible uses to them... Disconcerting but that is all we may be... a potential tool for them to use to interact with solids. This might also explain numerous paranormal encounters, ghosts, possessions etc...
I'm sure after we explore this postulation a little many connections might be made that we never thought of out here on the streets...
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Why would a plasma being need a solid craft?
I am not sure the plasma theory holds water.
There COULD be some merit to it but not in the way I see it discussed here.
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