On The Trail Of The Illuminati

**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2158 Location: Indiana

Nice piece on the historical and conspiracy theories surrounding the Illuminati.
I recommend it to everyone here since it touches on aspects we all have discussed before.
In pdf format..you might want to print it out to read offline.

http://sciwrite.org/glj/Illuminati.pdf
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**Skeptical** · Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject:

I think it is a very interesting component of human nature that we tend to seek order from chaos - even when it really is chaos. This explains the face on Mars and Jesus in the grilled cheese sandwich. It also explains why we are so quick to see conspiracy in nearly every great and/or traumatic event of our times. Why is it so hard for us to accept that, sometimes, things just happen?

As for the Masons and so many other fraternal organizations, I have to seriously wonder whether they will survive another fifty years. While the WWII generation were avid "joiners", fraternal organizations have held little appeal for generations from the Baby Boomers forward. I guess there will always be some small component who go in for the funny hats and swords ala the Knights of Columbus but I hardly think any of them have the critical mass necessary for world domination.

S
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**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2158 Location: Indiana

**Skeptical** · Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject:

It would be interesting to sit in one of the sessions of the Bilderbergs or the Trilateral Commission. People who are that rich and powerful are wired a bit differently from the rest of us hoi palloi. Their take on world affairs might be enlightening and perhaps disconcerting.

These businessmen undoubtedly do want to control the world - but not in the traditional sense. They want the money and the power but none of the responsibility. That is a most dangerous combination.

S
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**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2158 Location: Indiana

From the link at the bottom:

What will be discussed at Bilderberg 2007?

Aside from the Irak quagmire, energy problems continue to dominate Bilderberger discussions. Oil and natural gas are finite, non-renewable resources. That’s because once used up it cannot be replenished. As the world turns, and as oil and natural gas supplies dwindle while demand soars dramatically, especially with Indian and Chinese booming economies who want all the trinkets and privileges of an American way of life, we, as the Planet, have crossed the midpoint of oil production and discovery. From now on, the only sure thing is that supply will continue to diminish and prices will continue to increase. In these conditions world conflict is a physical certainty. End of oil means end of world’s financial system, something which has already been acknowledged by Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times, two full time members of the Bilderberger inner circle. Goldman Sachs oil report, [another full time member of the Bilderberger elite] published on March 30, 2005 increased the oil price range for the year 2005-6 from $55-$80 per barrel to $55-$105. During 2006 meeting, Bilderbergers have confirmed that their short range price estimate for oil for the 2007-08 continues to hover around US$105-150/barrel. No wonder Jose Barroso, President of the European Commission, announced several months ago during the unveiling of the new European energy policy that the time has come for a “post-industrial age.” To bring the world into the post industrial age, you first need to destroy the world´s economic base and create another Great Depression. When people are poor, they don´t spend money, they don´t travel, and they don´t consume.

As the economic impact sinks in, and as the after effects of Peak Oil become evident in the face of breakdown of civilization, the United States will be forced to challenge Europe, Russia and China for the hegemony of control and the ever depleting hydrocarbon, non-renewable reserves most of which are contained in the Middle East. That will be point number two on the Bilderberg 2007 agenda.

Third item on the agenda is European relations with Russia not only in Europe but also in Central Asia. With Moscow making a deal with Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan over the transport of gas to Europe, the US geo-strategic goal of driving a wedge between the Central Asian countries and Russia lies in shambles. While the US says this is “not good for Europe”, the Europeans are divided. Iran, overnight has become America’s last hope in the energy war.

Iran war, after two years of huffing and puffing by the Bush government is definitely off the table. Furthermore, with France, Russia, Japan and China investing heavily in Iran, the world has drawn a line in the sand and the U.S. will be told at the conference not to cross it. There is blood in the water, and blood in the water usually leads to a good fight.

That notwithstanding, the United States needs to control the region, not only for its oil reserves but, most importantly to help it sustain world economic hegemony. Under this strategic design, regional states will be turned to weak domains of sectarian sheikhs with little or no sovereignty and, by implications, a pathetic agenda of their economic development. Regional chaos favours the spread of Islamic fundamentalism, which in turn reinforces the process of political and social disintegration supported by the Bilderbergers.

With Blair leaving, the UK will be told yet again, that they must, at all cost, do what is necessary to integrate the country into the European Community.

Finally, with Wolfowitz resigning from the World Bank, Bilderberg luminaries will try to come to a consensus on how best to overhaul not only the bank but its sister organization, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), led by a Spaniard, Rodrigo Rato. Wolfowitz became entangled in controversy seven weeks ago after World Bank whistleblowers leaked to the Washington-based non-governmental organization Government Accountability Project (GAP) documents that showed Wolfowitz pushing a high pay raise in a secondment deal to the US State Department for his girlfriend.

We, as a society, are at a crossroads. In almost every corner of the planet, stress points are beginning to fracture. The roads we take from here will determine the very future of humanity. It was former British Prime Minister, Benjamin Disraeli, who stated that “the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.”

It is not up to God to bring us back from the “New Dark Age” planned for us. IT IS UP TO US. Whether we go into the next century as an electronic global police state or as free human beings depends on the action we take now. Forewarned is forearmed. We will never find the right answers if we don’t ask the proper questions.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/bilderberg-2007-agenda-and-participant-list/
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"Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
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**Skeptical** · Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject:

Disraeli's words are undoubtedly true - even more amazing because that quote is well over 125 years old. If governments were not fully in control of business and industry at the dawn of the industrial age, how much more dire is the situation today?

Still, I wonder if the end of the oil age will also bring the Bilderbergs of the world down with it. We are on the verge of a number of technological breakthroughs that may make the pursuit of mere wealth obsolete.

S
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Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

Skeptical,

**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2158 Location: Indiana

**Skeptical** · Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject:

I think what Fader is suggesting is that, if the Loyal Order of Moose, hints that they might be the guardians of some piece of secret information, they might attract a number of new members. The members would then be required to participate in various philanthropic endeavors in order to become privy to the secret info. In the end, the Little League gets a new baseball field, the Lenten fish fries make a few extra bucks and the secret information somehow disappears with the only clue being a Masonic fez left at the scene of the crime.

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**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2158 Location: Indiana

Here's a link to a book about the 'Illuminati bloodlines'. It's from a 'religious' point of view so caveat emptor.
Nevertheless the names and dates of the families are interesting.
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/introduction.htm
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"Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
The rippling waters fast as the colors conceal the Green Man."
Roy Harpur from The Green Man