Take Cover MUFON! The end is near...?

Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

I don't think the British study included Swiss data. It included 30 years of British data and (uncredited) information from "Ufologists". It included studies by Russia and China in some detail (in annexes) and mentioned Spain. It - not surprisingly to me - mentioned the USA and Canada AS ONE - then claimed that there is no information sharing between them and Britain. Right Wink

. Then something is redacted.

I'll check out the Billy Meier material. I use the 3 criteria:

1. Highly unusual in terms of speed and trajectory
2. Seeming ability to change shape in terms of radar signature
3. Seeming to be almost on the verge of existence or non-existence

I once challenged this group to find me a video that showed a really solid object (like these photos), then jet off and exhibit the other characteristics (such as de-materialize). I was open to seeing if there was such a thing. Otherwise, I tend to separate "flying saucers" from "UFOs"/UAPs. Until proven otherwise.
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**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2295 Location: Indiana

Fader.
We have been discussing this in the thread called Maurice Osborne. Mr Horn ,who is the US rep for the Meier case ,has been defending his position that it's a genuine contact case and the only one today.
Meier has produce hundreds of pics, several videos, sounds, and a metal fragment over the years from 1974.
Please ck it out and add your opinion.
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Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

dr. wu,

Sorry I hadn't seen the above post. I've seen that giant "Osborne" thread, but without going through it I don't want to make a "zero-effort" comment. I've always questioned (which may not relate at all) why there is NEVER a video camera around when people get photos of these solid UFOs. Where's the "dematerialization" that's seen on radar? I did look at his photos. Very good photos. Where's the video showing the "inertia-less" acceleration/decellerations that these UFO/UAPs are PROVEN to be capable of?

Check this out:
Plasma Formations Through The Ages

The first (that I've seen) correlation of ancient sightings to plasma.
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Will Sheephogan · Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 624 Location: Pahrump Nevada

Fader,

I decided a long time ago that if a machine could bend spacetime around itself for commitment to travel, it may tend to vanish. Light bending around it. I have been trying to find something to reference this to other than a black hole that would require far too much energy for a craft to use. Inertial pressures would also be a wild array of complicated math to predict as well. However an occupant just may feel 'at rest' in the situation if it was balanced correctly.
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Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

Will,

That's an equally challenging research project (to put it mildly). Yes, it would validate physical craft, but is (probably) beyond our human capability to comprehend. You should read the 'Exotic Technologies' section of the MoD stuff. They cover that in some detail (though this study may have biases due to reasons that I will leave open to your own conclusions). But, in essence, they suggest that such a physical craft is simply beyond any scientific knowledge that we are likely to ever possess. (While they do not say NO to the ETH in absolute terms).

Plasma just keeps coming on strong. Now, I find evidence that plasma might also explain rock art! Holy cow! (I can't say 'sh-t!'). Jesus! Now it's accounting for not just current but ancient mysteries. Where is all this leading? We may be on the verge of a HUGE scientific breakthrough even into areas normally covered by religion. Still, it's all UNPROVEN. I'm trying to put it all together.
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Will Sheephogan · Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 624 Location: Pahrump Nevada

Good luck trying to put that one together. I hope you are of sound mind and body because Einstein didn't even want to tackle it, made him crazy... We are talking about forbidden science in nature. Something YOU CAN NOT wrap your 3D brain around and understand. Much like attempting to explain being bags of water walking around in the vacuum. (From a fishes perspective that is.)

In the early 70's I saw a recruitment video (They) called it, "Looking Glass", for a high energy electromagnetic program for propulsion. Later I was told it was for the Navy, probably for magneto -hydrodynamic propulsion systems NOT air craft. I think to this day I was mistaken for my father because we both worked at the test site at the same time for about a year. (Same names) I was an inspector and QA tech pops a mechanical engineer. Anyways, what the film depicted was a small projectile launched by a rail gun into a glass block one foot thick. The glass was placed at the "axis-mundi" (teehee, new word I just learned) The containment area was a huge cylinder surrounded by coils creating a very powerful magnetic field not related to the rail-gun. I don't even want to speculate at the power in gauss, the equipment and chamber was supplied by the Las Vegas power grid and it was known to dim the lights when they tweaked it up usually in the early morning.

What we all witnessed on the film was simply the rail gun firing and the glass exploding. A projectile about the size of a 22cal pellet did the damage. HOWEVER, after we all said WOW that was a pretty cool gun, they brought us back for a second showing of the film, this one frame by frame from high speed cameras they used to study above ground tests and the operating systems on the NERVA engines at the test stands. These were some damn fast frame cameras....!

I watched, well we all watched the film, what it showed was the projectile passing through the glass block. Yup, passed right through it and traveled about 18 inches
before there was any detectable sign of damage to the glass. 4-5 different camera angles were compiled over about the same number of "SHOTZ" they called them. You could not detect the projectile until it was slowed down and on the other side of the UNBROKEN glass. Then after about 12 inches of travel you could see the glass deforming slowly following the projectiles path of travel. At about 24 inches of travel away from the glass you could see the glass fully disintegrate in small particles.

Did we see the effect of light bending? Or did we see the effect of spacetime bending? I was told the latter. 'The "omega-effect" was sited by the DoD as being responsible for the vision.'

Now my question is, where is this technology today? How far has it gone since 1973? The "z" machine?
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Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

"Beyond the comprehension of the finite human mind." 'The Colonel' said that several times. My hobby is writing. I would more try to convey concepts to a general audience rather than the scientific community. Make it a part of the pop culture, much as 'flying saucers' were/are in the pop culture through writers who were NOT scientists. I think it could be the hot new thing, especially with a major government claim of "flying saucer mystery solved!" kind of thing. If anybody has young kids with a scientific aptitude, I would certainly suggest this is a great time to get into plasma.

These forums, I always feel, are about kicking around ideas with people who aren't boring. You only get into trouble when you try to actually PROVE the unprovable. I think it would productive to encourage everybody (but especially the next generation) to get into plasma. I think you'll see a Spielberg version of Plasma Aliens in the next ten years. An updating of E.T. But, I maintain, the military has been looking into all of this stuff since the Forties.
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Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

How Plasma Created Ancient Mythology and Religious Beliefs:

Electric Universe (re. Plasma)

These guys are offering a very different view of the universe (to me). They say, for example, the Earth is protected from asteroids by the magnetosphere. Craters are not caused by such impacts. A different concept of how objects interact electrically. I don't know if they're right or wrong, but it's different, which is usually a good thing. They don't "tow the company line". (Or is it 'toe'?)
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Will Sheephogan · Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 624 Location: Pahrump Nevada

Spielberg is going to have to make a leap in imagination for that movie I think, Right now imo, all we are detecting , seeing and studying is the excrement from the energy source of what we really wish to study related to plasma. ALL energy sources leave trace, the subject (plasma) in all likelihood may be much more illusive than anyone suspects at this point.
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Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

Okay. The Electric Universe guys say that gravity is virtually meaningless. It's all about ELECTRICITY, rather than conventional cosmology. Plasma conducts electricity so is something they are looking at (among many things). Speaking of traces, I read (MOD) that strong EM fields can bend grass and leave other trace evidence.

Spielberg would do fine with that new version of E.T. as intelligent plasma. It's very visually-compelling. It would lead the public to have an interest in something that is pretty interesting (and more likely to lead to actual scientific advances than the "flying saucer" theory, since it remains within the laws of physics). It's already happening. The British are into it. The Russians are into it. The Chinese are into it. The US (we) are still keeping it all on the "down-low" (if that's hip-hoptically correct).

Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

Plasma scientist Anthony Peratt has shown that laboratory plasma looks amazingly similar to possible plasma formations seen in the ancient skies (or space). Around the world pictographs show the same depiction, which is called "Squatter Man". This is a long-lasting plasma, which would have been in motion and would be just as terrifying to witnesses today as it was in ancient times, were it to occur. The effect on the psyche of man lasted for millenia. It was recorded on stone around the world.

**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2295 Location: Indiana

Fader,
I looked at the 'plasma site' you linked to. Some interesting ideas there but to say that early drawings by man represented plasma displays is a stretch imo.
I must have missed your link on plasmas as they relate to ufos. Do you have a link to an article specifically on ufos and plasma other than the DOD report?
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Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

It does look like a stretch, I agree. On the other hand, it's somewhat better than the old "Chariots of The Gods" version of pseudo-science. At least, plasma has real scientists, even if it's very new and awkward.

Imagine how disappointed I was when I Googled "Plasma UAPs" to get more info -- and found that one of my postings was Number One (and two)! This report came out and nobody cared. It's that simple. It wasn't what people wanted to hear. (And not to belabor the point, but "The Colonel" told me plainly, "The public wants a complete story. They don't want to know what we don't know."). That certainly fits the British conclusion.

Here's one of the more interesting that I have found (summarized on my blog if you want the reference within the MOD documents):

Plasma Life Forms
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Faderbaby · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 329

Sorry, here's something on UFOs and Plasma:

UFOs & Condign Report
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