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Jeremy Vaeni
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| Carol Nistri wrote: |
Jer quoted McClain,"(Here I'm talking about when she said these beings aren't just technologically advanced but spiritually and fear is the hump we abductees have to get over, yada, yada.) "
so fear is the hump eh,Shirley knows abdcutees does she? Fear is the hump interesting take,Ive only read such horror stories when I read a book about the holocost called QBV11. These so called entities could certainly make things a bit easier on their victims,for people like McClain to suggest that people have to get over the hump is ridiculous and its blaming the victim. This is rape folks,its kidnapping,its stalking,its terrorism in its truest form.Thats whats kooky about McClain,she lives in a country where acts exactly like these are against our laws,yet she wants the abductee to develop a new attitude and just accept it,phooey,americans dont just accept behaivor like this.As well they shouldnt. |
What horror stories about abductions have you heard that smack of the holocaust?
If you look at the hero's journey, if you look at any spiritual figure who had to go through hell to attain enlightenment, if you look at the stories of the Zen mastery blindsiding his student with a stick to "wake him up" - all of these types of things we'd say are bad and wrong and rape and against the law. Are they? Or is it deeper than that?
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Carol Nistri
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| um,Jim Oberg as in JimO,our new member JimO...ok Jim front and center...atttttention! Explain yourself.
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Will Sheephogan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You done did it now Jer my boy, are you suffering from Stockholm Syndrome or WHAT?
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Carol Nistri
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: Jer asked, |
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"What horror stories about abductions have you heard that smack of the holocaust? "
Your kidding right,lets start with the fear factor,nuff said? How about being rendered helpless while an implant is crunched into the nasal cavity or worse,How about being paralyzed unable to move anything but your eyes yet able to feel all the pain and fear,come on Jer,you said you were abdcuted yet your surprised that I call out the horrors of it all? Thats most puzzling.
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Carol Nistri
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| btw.I was over for a visit to the Peanuts Gang and either Robin or Carol said that King is repeating that show tonight.
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Jeremy Vaeni
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Jer asked, |
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| Carol Nistri wrote: |
"What horror stories about abductions have you heard that smack of the holocaust? "
Your kidding right,lets start with the fear factor,nuff said? How about being rendered helpless while an implant is crunched into the nasal cavity or worse,How about being paralyzed unable to move anything but your eyes yet able to feel all the pain and fear,come on Jer,you said you were abdcuted yet your surprised that I call out the horrors of it all? Thats most puzzling. |
None of that is a holocaust.
I'm suggesting that it's possible that we're taking this stuff WAAAAAY out of context. For instance, the terror I've felt just looking at these beings makes no sense. The terror does not match the actions so maybe it's more like an allergic reaction some of us have to these beings, as Whitley Strieber says. Or maybe when a mentally ill split consciousness such as ours is confronted with something so much more whole, it feels (and is) shattered. Or maybe it's like the shamanic journeys Graham c-ck has written about where the shaman perceives to be taken by entities and literally torn limb from limb only to be put back together again with greater vision and purpose.
It's probable that when we talk about this purely in terms of fear and victimization, that's a Christian perspective. Even if we're not Christians, we're born into that culture and equate spirit with guilt and persecution, etc. All of these immature religious fears that then become the lens through which we perceive an outside experience be it spiritual or alien. It all comes in through that lens.
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Jeremy Vaeni
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Jer asked, |
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| Carol Nistri wrote: |
"What horror stories about abductions have you heard that smack of the holocaust? "
Your kidding right,lets start with the fear factor,nuff said? How about being rendered helpless while an implant is crunched into the nasal cavity or worse,How about being paralyzed unable to move anything but your eyes yet able to feel all the pain and fear,come on Jer,you said you were abdcuted yet your surprised that I call out the horrors of it all? Thats most puzzling. |
None of that is a holocaust.
I'm suggesting that it's possible that we're taking this stuff WAAAAAY out of context. For instance, the terror I've felt just looking at these beings makes no sense. The terror does not match the actions so maybe it's more like an allergic reaction some of us have to these beings, as Whitley Strieber says. Or maybe when a mentally ill split consciousness such as ours is confronted with something so much more whole, it feels (and is) shattered. Or maybe it's like the shamanic journeys Graham c-ck has written about where the shaman perceives to be taken by entities and literally torn limb from limb only to be put back together again with greater vision and purpose.
It's probable that when we talk about this purely in terms of fear and victimization, that's a Christian perspective. Even if we're not Christians, we're born into that culture and equate spirit with guilt and persecution, etc. All of these immature religious fears that then become the lens through which we perceive an outside experience be it spiritual or alien. It all comes in through that lens.
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Carol Nistri
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| Jer,do I understand that your experience with abduction amounts to no more than just seeing these beings? Thats It?
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JimO
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I think i've fallen off the train of thought on this thread.
Carol, what is it, that needs explaining from me?
I hope it has nothing to do with abductions and the holocaust.
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Jeremy Vaeni
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| Jer,do I understand that your experience with abduction amounts to no more than just seeing these beings? Thats It? |
No that's not it. I'm saying the terror is immediate, by just being in their presence, and then something of a sedation must occur because before ya know it I'm fine. That was in one instance anyway. Another was lying on a table being stared at by them and being scared out of my mind in the process. But that's my point: Nothing scary is taking place that makes sense with this fear. I've been in life-threatening situations before and this fear doesn't compare to that. I'd think that being taken by nonhumans somewhere and being stared at would produce a huge amount of fear in itself--not unlike a life-threatening situation--but not the total, deep terror that actually occurs.
So to my mind, at least, the fear response is disproportionate to the situation . It's deeper than "average" life-threatening fear. And yet, as I said, nothing of the sort is happening. They're just there. They could be reading me a nursery rhyme to help put me to sleep or drilling a hole through my eyeball and I'd still be out of my mind with the same animal terror. I imagine abductees who don't want to (or haven't yet) approach this differently would be stuck in primal scream mode and as a result we'd think this thing is evil. Naturally. But like I said, nothing evil is taking place and the notion that these beings are amoral for doing whatever they're doing because they should just talk to us and tell us is only true if the self is real.
What if it isn't?
What if we're a delusional species suffering a type of mental illness that says, "I am real" but that I is not real? What if all this talk about transcendence and moving to a higher vibrational level and all that jazz that makes us feel like we're progressing and evolving misses the point that we don't get to remain as we are if that's happening. We don't get to take us with us when we move on. We actually have to die while living--an ego death--and not just transform a little. The whole thing goes.
Do we want that?
Do you want to not be Carol anymore? What if not being Carol anymore is precisely what must happen, will you take one for the team? Will you die to the higher good because that's what needs to happen?
I suggest not and further, that will always look like an evil false choice to a society raised to believe in a god outside themselves that loves them as they are for who they are and allows them to continue as is after physical death.
It's funny, you know one of the first themes to develop from abduction testimony is that we're killing the earth. Some scoffed at this but most--if you'll recall--said that the message was used to produce fear in us so they could observe our reaction, or further, to feed off the fear induced by the visual. Their warning was turned into this evil magic trick.
Now where are we? What's at the front of the news?
Were they evil or warning us? Showing us consequences for our actions?
Maybe it's time to throw out everything and start fresh. Rethink this whole thing.
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Carol Nistri
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oh man Jer,what are you doing?? I mean it what the heck are you doing? If what you believed happend to you I mean it really really happend to you of course your going to experience wildeyed fear.ALL OF US WOULD.If at some point you recognized these um whichamacallits as entities then youve got years and years of reading and viewing that would come rushing to the forefront.
You know thru your reading and viewing that this is no night out for the guys,you know thru that reading and viewing that your more likely than not going to be in for a horrific experience thats why your fear is so intense.I sure hope this isnt typical of what the abdcutees are experiencing,were destroying the planet so were going to get what we deserve,phooey,the planet has gone thru these climate changes many many times before,ice ages,metorites blowing the joints to bits,volcanos spewing their garbage in the air,its been happening since time began,are we contributing to it,maybe,are we doing something about it,were trying,and its going to lead to some new products that will help clean up the enviroment,now what have these so called aliens done to help that along? They claim to be able to see the furture in all its dire consequences dont they? Sure they do.
They could have told us decades ago what to do about it,this is so goofy I cant believe anyone is falling for it,there here to help us,were destroying the planet,this is nothing more than a king size guilt trip that your buying hook line and sinker,tell ya what,next time they ruin a perfectly good nights sleep get over your terror long enough to place thumb on tip of nose and give remaining fingers a wiggle,Ive got a feeling they will know exactly what you mean.
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Carol Nistri
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"Carol, what is it, that needs explaining from me? "
First would you raise your right hand and swear to tell the truth the whole truth welp you know the rest.
One of our members is under the impression that a Jim Oberg was on Larry King the other night,would that be you?
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TheScamDetective
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Carol
"They could have told us decades ago what to do about it,this is so goofy I cant believe anyone is falling for it,..."
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Would we have listened and believed them?? I doubt it. I think our "egos" would get in the way.
Why would it even be up to them to solve our global problems???
Isn't it becoming more apparent WHY they are not revealing themselves to the masses??
Think about it!!!
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Carol Nistri
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Scam,first lets establish where your at in all of this.Do you Scam or do you not believe the people from all walks of life and from all over the planet are being abducted,yes or no. Who else has noticed how the 'abductees' will make excuses for the little buggers,they do it allll the time.
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Jeremy Vaeni
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Scam,first lets establish where your at in all of this.Do you Scam or do you not believe the people from all walks of life and from all over the planet are being abducted,yes or no. Who else has noticed how the 'abductees' will make excuses for the little buggers,they do it allll the time. |
Oh, okay. So you're saying what? The people involved are wrong and you're right? Teri, help me out here--there's only room for one arrogant person here and that's ME!
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