THE DISCREDITORS

Maurice Osborn · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: THE DISCREDITORS

My name is Maurice Osborn. I recently participated in some discussion boards of this forum. I ended my participation when no one that I answered questions for would respond to my questions. My most important question was, “What evidence could I possibly present that would be considered as conclusive proof of my claims?” The lack of any response made it clear that there was nothing I could possibly present that would be convincing to anyone in this forum.

However, this was not a wasted experience since it was very educational and enlightening for me. As a result, I have written the following document, which reveals what I have learned about the Discreditors of this group. I intend to let everyone know about the kind of people that participate here.

THE DISCREDITORS

by Maurice Osborn

November 2, 2007
(c) 2007 Maurice Osborn

Contents

1. INTRODUCTION
1.1 Definitions
1.2 Motives

2. DETECTION
2.1 Initial Contact Questions
2.2 Enquiries
2.3 Discreditation

3. DISCREDITING TECHNIQUES
3.1 Unsubstantiated Personal Opinions
3.2 Claims of Being Argumentative
3.3 Claims of Being Paranoid
3.4 Use of Deceit
3.5 Claims of Deception
3.6 Use of Ridicule
3.7 Use of Exaggeration and Context
3.8 Claims of No Proof

4. COUNTERMEASURES
4.1 Countermeasures During Initial Contact
4.2 Countermeasures During Enquiries
4.3 Countermeasures During Discreditation

5. CONCLUSSIONS

1. INTRODUCTION
This document has been written to help others avoid senseless interactions with close-minded people who seek only to discredit anyone that may upset their beliefs. It does not matter what the issue may be. Anyone that expresses an opinion, shares an experience, makes a claim, or even has evidence about a controversial subject such as politics, ufology, the paranormal, or religion is considered a target by those who seek to discredit people with differing views.
People naturally assume that others will be receptive, polite, and courteous when they reveal what they know to be true, but this is usually not the case. In most cases, the people revealing information are criticized, ridiculed, and harassed until they give up in regret and remain quiet. Then the critics rejoice and congratulate themselves for having discredited a fraud. The purpose of this document is to help people understand what they are up against, determine who they are dealing with, and interact with them appropriately.

1.1 Definitions
The term, “Discreditors” may be defined as individuals that seek to discredit others. There is nothing wrong with discrediting a person when evidence is produced that substantiates wrong-doing. However the term, as applied in this document, actually refers to closed-minded and adversarial people that reject all evidence and use tactics such as harassment, ridicule, and belittlement to discredit anyone that does not think as they do.
A discreditor can be anyone. It can even be a friend, family member, or other loved one. These people can seem to be caring and considerate until they hear a statement that does not conform to their way of thinking. Then, they can become rude, abusive, and hurtful. Discreditors usually function in groups of like-minded people in order to receive acceptance from others of their comments and share jokes between themselves to humiliate the target.
The term “Target” refers to anyone that expresses an opinion or belief that is found to be objectionable to discreditors. It is the person that discreditors focus on, not to try to change their mind, but to harass and belittle them so that they never discuss their views ever again. The term, “Discreditation” is defined as the process undertaken by discreditors to discredit people. There are many techniques used in this discrediting process.

1.2 Motives
The motives of discreditors are simple. They seek to destroy anything that does not conform to their own belief systems. They see no room in this world for anyone who speaks out against what they believe to be true and they see nothing wrong with using anything that is morally correct or not to eradicate any other views but their own. They see this as their sacred duty and they enjoy doing it. They see themselves as providing a great service for humanity and they care nothing for the hurt they bring upon others.

2. DETECTION

The purpose of this section is to provide people with information that will help them to detect discreditors. They are extremely cleaver at deceiving people about their true intentions initially in order to get them to feel comfortable about expressing their views. They know that if their targets were to learn prematurely of their true intentions to discredit them, then they would not be able to obtain controversial information to use against them. So, they give their targets the impression that they are among the same group of believes as them, they are just curious outsiders, or they are independent researchers with an open mind to the truth.

There are three phases of the discrediting process. The first subsection describes questions that may be asked to detect discreditors during the initial contact phase. The second subsection provides indications that may reveal discreditors during the enquiry phase and the third subsection describes the techniques used during the discredidation phase. It may be possible for discreditors to avoid detection at initial contact or during the enquiry phase, but the techniques used during the discreditation phase make it clear about the true intentions of discreditors.

2.1 Initial Contact Questions

In order for discreditors to conceal their belief that there is nothing that could possibly convince them that their target’s views are valid, they must use deception. If they do not falsely claim that they believe as their target does, their usual response is that they are undecided about the issue, but they express an interest in it. Those who conceal their true intentions by pretending to be an open-minded researchers or investigators are the hardest to detect since the target honestly wants their beliefs to be investigated.

So, the following questions are recommended to be asked of people that are initially encountered before any sensitive information is disclosed:

1. What is your interest in this subject?
2. Who or what group do you represent?
3. What is your background in this subject?
4. What evidence has convinced you or would convince you conclusively?
5. Why have you contacted me?
6. What do you expect from me?
7. What do you intend to do with my information?

The first question establishes your relationship with the person as someone who claims to share beliefs, is just curious, or is serious about investigating the subject. The second question reveals who your information will be shared with. The third question lets you know how much the person already knows about your subject and what has been accomplished previously. The fourth question lets you know if there is anything that the person would find convincing and if so, what that might be. The fifth question lets you know how the person learned about you and what he knows about you. The sixth question establishes what the person’s expectations are so that you can determine if you will be able to fulfill them. The last question lets you know how the person intends to share your information with others.

This is crucial information. But, it must be remembered that it may be in the person’s best interest to give you false information in order to convince you to trust him. Your intuition may be your best means to detect deception. Remember that trust must be earned and never assumed.

2.2 Enquiries

This portion of the document provides indications exhibited by discreditors during the time that they are attempting to gather information that they can use against you. In order for them to convince you to be open with them, divulge everything, and accept their intruding questions, they will often begin by making excuses for their actions. These excuses include a determined search for the truth, being miss-led by previous liars who only wanted attention, and following a proven line of questioning.

However, the kinds of questions asked are very revealing about the true intentions of the enquirer. An open-minded investigator seeking only the truth will want to hear your entire story and asks questions in order to help you fill in the blanks. A closed-minded discreditor is only interested in acquiring the most sensitive of information that can be used to discredit you. In addition, the tone of the questions presented is also very important in determining if the questioner is acting professionally or inappropriately.

2.3 Discreditation

Once sufficient information has been gathered that can be used against the target, then the discreditation phase begins. If discreditors have not been detected prior to this time, it is usually because they have convinced the target that they are genuinely interested in only revealing the truth. However, any unprofessional behavior that is rude, offensive, demeaning, or belittling should be considered as indications of a discreditor.

There are other behaviors which are indicative of discreditors, but the most obvious one is how much pride and joy they exhibit when they feel that they have succeeded at their goal of discrediting their target. The following section describes the techniques used by discreditors to discredit people.

3. DISCREDITING TECHNIQUES

The following subsections describe the techniques used by discreditors during the discredidation phase. These are, by no means, all of the techniques used by discreditors, but they are the most common ones used.

3.1 Unsubstantiated Personal Opinions

Unsubstantiated personal opinions are made which imply that what is stated by the target is unacceptable because it is either illogical, pure nonsense, or simply unbelievable. It makes no difference if the opinions are valid are not. Logical responses made by the target, which show that the opinions are not true or valid are usually ignored and rarely ever acknowledged. Discreditors simply change the subject.

3.2 Claims of Being Argumentative

Whenever a target disagrees with the opinions of others and argues the validity of their views, discreditors often make the claim that he or she is being unreasonably argumentative to the extreme. It doesn’t matter to them that they are the ones being unreasonable or that rational statements are used to counter their claims. They only see someone standing up for what they believe in to be irrational behavior.

3.3 Claims of Being Paranoid

Any time that someone attempts to alert others to a potentially dangerous situation or claims that others are trying to get them, they are always classified as being paranoid. It doesn’t matter if a danger actually exists or that there really are people attempting to stop him or her from continuing what they are doing. The accusation of being paranoid is made by people who do not want to believe that there is anything that might upset their normal view of the world or get involved in someone else’s problems. So, they simply discount them by accusing them of being paranoid.

3.4 Use of Deceit

Discreditors are not above lying to discredit someone. They will make a statement as though it were factual and unquestionable simply because they said it. Whenever evidence is presented that shows the statement to be false, it is usually ignored and the subject is changed to something else. It is very rare when a retraction is made and even rarer when an apology is actually made.

3.5 Claims of Deception

Another common technique used, is the accusation that the target is lying in order to get attention or profit from it. The truth about what the target says is not disputed, but it is dismissed as true simply because of a claim that the target is saying it to acquire fame and fortune. Although the target may rightfully receive compensation for his or her efforts, this claim attempts to dismiss any desire the target may have for helping others.

3.6 Use of Ridicule

Another technique used by discreditors is to ridicule the target’s beliefs in an attempt to make them sound ridiculous. If the target objects to this, he or she is criticized for not having a sense of humor. Discreditors do not seem to be able to understand that their brand of humor is not harmless and is at the expense of someone else.

3.7 Use of Exaggeration and Context

There are two other common techniques used by discreditors in an attempt to make the target’s beliefs seem absurd. One technique is taking a valid point to extremes and the other is using the point out of context. An example of taking a point to extremes would be the claim that if man was meant to fly, he would have wings. An example of using a point out of context would be a claim that if man can run then he should also be able to fly. However, one thing has nothing to do with the other.

3.8 Claims of No Proof

The most common technique used to discredit people is the claim that they have not furnished any evidence that proves their claims conclusively. It must be fully understood that there is no amount of evidence that could ever be presented to substantiate anything, which would be considered conclusive proof to discreditors. All evidence will always be considered as faulty, unreliable, and inconclusive. Every effort will be made to establish this and any evidence that cannot be discredited will be ignored.

4. COUNTERMEASURES

Once discreditors have been detected, their target may either decide to convert them toward their own way of thinking, severe contact with them, or expose them for who they are. It is a grave mistake for anyone to attempt to use logic, evidence, or common sense in an attempt to change their way of thinking. Discreditors have completely closed minds to anything that is different from what they believe and they will lash out at anyone that attempts to convince them otherwise. It may not always be possible to break contact gracefully from discreditors without them responding with ridicule.

4.1 Countermeasures During Initial Contact

The best time to take effective measures to counteract the efforts of a discreditor is upon initial contact. This is before the discreditor has acquired any information from you, which could be used against you and it saves you an awful lot of trouble and anguish. Once a discreditor has been detected with the answers to the questions supplied in section 2.1 or other methods, a polite statement such as, “I must go now. Good-bye” may suffice in order to break contact. However, if the discreditor is more aggressive in attempts to establish communications with you, it may be necessary to agree to a future meeting and then miss it.

Discreditors will often warn you that a refusal to cooperate with their investigation will result in an unfavorable report to others. However, there is a far greater risk of an unfavorable report if cooperation is given. If the discreditor has identified his or her self as representing a media firm or research group that could be helpful in revealing what you have to offer, then you will need to evaluate if the possible benefits outweigh the risks. Obviously, any further contact should be undertaken with a great deal of caution. The following subsection describes the measures that should be used during further enquiries.

4.2 Countermeasures During Enquiries

Before any questioning begins, it is extremely important to establish ground rules that must be adhered to by the enquirer. The examiner must not be allowed to ask any question desired and should be expected to ask only relevant questions. You must also stand up for your rights to privacy relating to intimate secrets, confidential medical and psychological details and you should not violate the privacy of others. In addition, you should ask the questioner why he or she is asking questions that do not appear to be proper and refuse to answer any question that does not seem valid to you with an explanation. You have these rights. Any examiner that does not agree to your terms or coerces your cooperation by warning that your actions will be judged unfavorably is exhibiting the traits of a discreditor. In that case, contact should be terminated as soon as possible.

4.3 Countermeasures During Discreditation

Unfortunately, once the third phase is reached, there is little chance of breaking contact before damage is done. But, early detection will minimize the damage and prepare you to take appropriate action. The most important thing is to not let discreditors push your emotional buttons and cause you to respond with your feelings instead of your head. They are very good at making you feel hurt, angry, and want to say things that you will regret later. If you are willing to take on discreditors, then you do so with the knowledge of what they are like, how they will behave, and how to make them respond emotionally.

The best way to counteract the rude, offensive, demeaning, or belittling attitudes is to bring their behavior into the spotlight for all to see. Discreditors want to have all attention directed at you and hate to give explanations for their actions. They do not want to reveal anything about themselves, their intentions, or what they really want from you. So, asking why they are acting, asking, and stating as they are doing, is difficult for them to respond to.

The best way to respond to unsubstantiated personal opinions, which imply that what is stated is unacceptable because it is either illogical, pure nonsense, or simply unbelievable is to ask what makes him or her say that. Make the discreditor explain the specific reasons for such opinions. Then, address each point stated, if any are given. Usually, the reason is “just ‘cause”.

When you are being accused of being argumentative, ask if you don’t have the right to stand up for what you believe is true. When you are being accused of being paranoid, ask if you shouldn’t care about yourself and others. Give your reasons for thinking as you do. They may be ridiculed, disagreed with, or ignored, but at least you will be able to show why you think as you do.

When discreditors make a false statement, provide evidence to show that they are wrong, if you can. They may ignore you or argue the point. But, you should always challenge them to prove the validity of their statement. Don’t let up and insist that they justify their statement. If they won’t reply, then be sure to make it known that they made an unsubstantiated statement.

When you are being accused of speaking out because you want to bring attention to yourself and profit by it, state your true reasons. Then, demand that the accusers show proof of their claims. They hate attention. When they attempt to ridicule you, make them aware that their humor is not harmless, but insulting. If they make it okay to ridicule, then ridicule them.

When discreditors attempt to make your beliefs seem absurd by stretching a valid point to extremes or using it out of context, then bring their techniques out in the open. Show how illogical their statements are like comparing apples and oranges. Finally, when faced with claims that there is insufficient evidence to substantiate your beliefs, ask what evidence they would accept to prove your case. Discreditors hate being put on the spot to commit to anything. So, they will either indicate evidence that no one could produce or they will ignore the question entirely. The absurdity of impossible evidence should be stated as well as the fact that a no answer means that there is no evidence that would be found to be acceptable.

5. CONCLUSSIONS

As stated before, discreditors love to gang up on unsuspecting individuals in a group and use each other’s support to discredit their target. When this happens, the individual feels alone and without any support. So, it is vitally important that like-minded people come together and provide support for each other. Engage discreditors in a group and show your common support.

Be aware that discreditors are everywhere that people with a controversial subject voice their beliefs. This includes Instant Messaging, forums, and discussion boards on the Internet as well as at meetings, radio talk shows, and telephone conference calls. They will infiltrate groups with common beliefs, attend conferences, and participate in political events in order to wreck their havoc. You now have the knowledge to combat them intellectually. Use it with confidence.

**TheScamDetective** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: California

Maurice,
That was a tad over the top.
Everyone knows what debunkers try to do. This forum is not going to decided the fate of the world or solve any mysteries.
If you have ANY kind of proof...just present it and don't worry if it's accepted or rejected as proof. Most skeptics want something solid..something that can be held, weighed, examined and studied.
Everyone should have some degree of skepticism about any claims that are made...even you.
That is called...balance.
An open mind is nothing more than being willing to hear both sides before expressing an opinion or belief.
I DO agree with you, however, that rudeness and sarcastic remarks are not the marks of a sincere skeptic.
We have some very fair minded skeptics on this board...give them a chance. But yes, we also have some skeptics here who prefer to engage in ridicule and sarcasm...ignore them.
Many people have chosen to remain silent rather than being ridiculed and insulted by venemous minded skeptics.
I think you are in error to lump every poster here into one big pot labeled "rude discreditors"!!!!
Even as a believer, I still question and question and question some more. That is not an insult to the person making a claim...that is for MY satisfaction and to learn more before deciding for myself if I support that claim or not.
I cannot speak for others, but that is how I see it.
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Teri Sheephogan · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 204 Location: Pahrump Nevada

POOR BABY......

Your main question WAS answered as well as the others you asked, at least of me. I will repeat the ANSWER to your question just for posterity: There is NO CONCLUSIVE evidence for ANY Alien Abduction story. PERIOD. NOBODY has anything CONCLUSIVE. NOBODY. BUT the few things that could have been done to, at least, strengthen the credibility of your claims was NOT DONE. A Psychologists report of some trauma occurring around the time of the UFO Conference AND medical tests to show a foreign object in your head.

That is ALL YOU CAN DO and YOU DID NOT DO IT. You only had EXCUSES for not doing so. One who's goal is supposedly as determined as yours should be truly dedicated to his cause and should stop at NOTHING to SPREAD HIS MESSAGE.

You've simply proven a very possible 'psychosis' and an obvious 'desire for attention' by posting this absurd article in the very forum that HURT YOUR FEELINGS and Discredited you. Go somewhere else with it. Somewhere where it will do some good for others, like yourself, who do not have the wherewithal nor gumption to gather some evidence other than, "It happened because I SAID IT DID! SO THERE!" This is far from a TRUE researchers attitude and I'm afraid you'll get NOWHERE with intelligent 'thinkers' with an attitude like this. I am also VERY CONFUSED how you can use the Billy Meier information in an attempt to help 'Prove' your point on your website when his information discounts supposed Abductees pretty stringently. The Billy Meier information very clearly states, time and again, that the MAJORITY of those claiming Abduction are DELUSIONAL. Idea

I may seem RUDE to you, and others too, but I am not one who is on the side of 'soft spoken Society'. My intent is NOT TO BE rude but simply to get a POINT ACROSS. POINT BLANK. I don't know how to candy coat things. Will is giving me lessons...... as you can see I obviously need a lot MORE of them.....

Perhaps you should make a couple more appointments with your private psychologist. It most certainly wouldn't hurt anything.

NEGATIVE ATTENTION HAS NOW BEEN COMPLETELY WITHDRAWN FROM THIS ALLEGED 'DISCREDITOR'.
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Ataraxik · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:43 am Post subject:

I see a Dr. Phil show in Maurice's future.
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3348

Maurice,go out for a walk,Im not kidding,youve got far too much time on your hands and your post shows it,your resenting those that have finally said enough is enough.We came here to form our own group not to believe everything were told but to feel free to ask questions,how could you have possibly thought you could offer up a story such as the one you tell and not for even believers to wince at its contents.Ill tell you what,take your story to ten other boards and see what happens,if the board is run and owned by someone under the age of twenty five you might get accepted.If however theve been at this for years and read your story and see it as just a story then your going to get questions and yes insistance on proof.If you want to present your story to a publisher I would offer it up as fiction,to say its the truth and then get indignant at those that dont see it as the truth is asking for problems.

Ataraxik · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject:

So, Carol, you're one of them.
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Will Sheephogan · Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 624 Location: Pahrump Nevada

All I see is a copy/paste from a previous lecture. (With a few specifics changed)
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3348

"So, Carol, you're one of them."

naw,I dont fit in anywhere actually.
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HopoUK · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject:

Maurice.

I have been reading the furor that has been surrounding your story, but have refrained from making a comment as abduction cases tend to bore me after reading about them years ago. It is not a subject that I am interested in anymore, although then, I was more interested in the lost time cases, rather than abductions from bedrooms.

To be honest with you, I don't know what to believe about these cases. I'm a " don't know " on this subject. A part of me believes that if these terrifying cases are real, then people should still be researching them. Another part of me tends towards the sleep paralysis theory, especially when people are in their beds when it happens.

You have to understand Maurice that most people will not believe you when you tell them about your own personal experience without good evidence. I have related my UFO sighting on several message boards over the years, and many have said that I am either lying, delusional, or mistakenly identified a man made object as a UFO. It's to be expected as I have no proof of what I say about that night, especially after losing contact with all the friends I was with when I moved down to the south coast 20 years ago.

You will always be subjected to questions, disbelief, and even downright insults if you want people to know what happened to you. If you truly believe that what happened to you was real, then answer questions as best you can, shrug your shoulders at the skeptics, and ignore the ignorant.

Skeptics have not stopped me from visiting message boards like this one, as the UFO phenomena intrigues me greatly, but even I can be skeptical about certain cases, and even though I visit YouTube frequently, I do know that many videos there will be either blurry or downright CGI fakes IMO.

Just don't let people stop you from visiting boards like this one, because I believe that one day, the truth will out. That we will find out, one way or another if alien life exists ( although I think that is a long time in coming, unless you believe the 2012 theorists of course! ), and until that day happens, I will still surf the web in the hope of finding conclusive proof one day.

So should you.

**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2294 Location: Indiana

Maurice Osborn · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject:

I would like to respond to the messages about my posting with my document, “The Discreditors”. The first message was from The Scam Detective. She made an excellent point that not all critics and debunkers should be lumped together with Discreditors. I agree. Unfortunately, I failed to describe the distinctions between Discreditors, critics, and debunkers. For this, I apologize. I did not mean for anyone to see these three terms as being synonymous.

I believe that there is nothing wrong with discrediting a person when evidence is produced that substantiates wrong-doing. Likewise, I see nothing wrong with debunking someone with evidence that proves that a claim is false. I also see nothing wrong with people criticizing another person’s views in order to resolve questions and determine the truth. I respect any critic that is open-minded and a true seeker of the truth without being demeaning to others.

However, my definition of “Discreditors” does not simply refer to individuals that seek to discredit others. It actually refers to closed-minded and adversarial people that reject all evidence and use tactics such as harassment, ridicule, and belittlement to discredit anyone that does not think as they do. This is done, not to try to change the other person’s mind, but to harass and belittle them so that they never discuss their views ever again. I believe that the messages posted in this forum make it obvious who the critics, debunkers, and discreditors are. The phrase, “If the shoe fits, wear it” could apply here.

The next person to respond to my initial message was Teri. It certainly is nice of her to attempt to comfort me with her statement of “POOR BABY”, but I am having a wonderful time exposing the discreditors here for who they really are. For example, she stated, “Your main question WAS answered as well as the others you asked, at least of me. I will repeat the ANSWER to your question just for posterity: There is NO CONCLUSIVE evidence for ANY Alien Abduction story.”

That was not my main question. This is a deliberate attempt to confuse the issue. What I asked was, “What evidence could I possibly present that would be considered as conclusive proof of my claims?” The lack of any response made it clear that there was nothing I could possibly present that would be convincing to anyone in this forum. Now, if this is not an indication of being closed-minded, nothing is. But, in all fairness, I must admit that she did answer some of my other questions.

Since Teri refuses to accept any evidence at all that has been presented by anyone as being conclusive of alien abductions, I wonder why she thinks it would be beneficial for me to supply the same evidence as others have done. My reason for agreeing to be apart of this forum was to bring attention to the alien abduction phenomenon and not my own experience. The only reason for mentioning my experience was to answer a question asked of me about any personal knowledge that I have of this phenomenon.

As I have stated many times, my own personal experience is unimportant compared to the millions of others that are still ongoing. But what is important is the closed-minded attitude that Teri is exhibiting along with her abusive and demeaning language along with her unsubstantiated claims of me having a 'psychosis' and an obvious 'desire for attention'.

Well as my website shows, I am a man of many interests and my latest work was not written to draw attention to myself, but at discreditors. My intentions are purely benevolent as I seek no fame or fortune from my work. I am only interested in helping others to handle discreditors as easily as I am doing. This is great fun, don’t you think?

As for Ataraxik, I look forward to his next intellectual comment with great eagerness. Actually, his lack of anything intelligent to say and his obvious need to use sarcasm and ridicule in an attempt to discredit others shows an obvious lack of self-esteem. He seeks to draw attention toward others in a poor attempt to elevate him self and hide his own deficiencies. Unfortunately for him, this has backfired on him. He is a very sad case.

I certainly appreciate Carol stating the true intentions of the people on this forum as, “We came here to form our own group not to believe everything were told but to feel free to ask questions.” I have nothing against you folks asking questions or insisting on proof, but it is your intention to disbelieve everything stated and attempt to discredit whatever anyone presents that I do not agree with.

The last message posted for me was by HopoUK. I can certainly appreciate his point of view about all of this, but I cannot go along with his advice of, “If you truly believe that what happened to you was real, then answer questions as best you can, shrug your shoulders at the skeptics, and ignore the ignorant.” I have answered every question, unlike everyone else. But to shrug and ignore the ignorant serves no useful purpose. I wrote my document in order to enlighten others about Discreditors and how to handle them so that they can take advantage of what I have learned here. I believe this to be a noble undertaking.

I am so amazed that those who have posted a response to my “THE DISCREDITORS” thread have not said anything about the document that I presented. Instead, they have only focused on my abduction experience. What’s wrong with this picture? Thank you for providing me with so much information to share with others. I am going to make you folks famous, or rather infamous.

**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3348

sigh,what is it you want Maurice,were people ,Im a housewife,others here are also ordinairy people with a great deal of curiosity concerning this subject,what is it you expect from us?

Teri Sheephogan · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 204 Location: Pahrump Nevada

**TheScamDetective** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: California

Maurice
Unfortunately when you post on a forum such as this one...and there are many out there, you are going to bump heads with some people.
Somer and I have bumped heads across 3 different message boards but I respect him and even though we disagree on almost everything, we don't resort to name calling or hurtful tactics. Even though his views and mine are different, he at least offers an alternative viewpoint and keeps me on my toes!! I admire his strength of conviction and his knowledge on many subjects....but I will most likely bump heads with him in a friendly way.
Those who DO resort to ridicule and sarcasm and have nothing else to offer are only trying to show off and stir up trouble. Teri is NOT one of those!!
We all know who the REAL
bullies are and most of us either ignore them or try to diffuse them.
Maybe you could try to be less detail oriented and just state your views.
Your formal style tends to be confusing sometimes.
Try to relax and just say whatever it is you want to convey.
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3348

thats good advice Scam,bravo,Maurice?