My alien experiences/ part 1.

**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

thats a good question Grayalien,"Anyhow, what I was wondering was why do you want to undergo hypnosis when your own method of memory retrieval seems to be working very effectively for you? What do you hope to gain from hypnosis?"

Ive wondered why those that really and truely believe theve been abdcuted go all thru the bother of seeing a John Mack or Jacobs or Hopkins,why? The truth may be that although on one level they do believe theve actually been abducted on another level they also may suspect there being duped.That all is not what there being led to believe.Is that right Phillip? Have you read what Jeremey had to say in his last post regarding abductions?

Philip Edwards · Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 209 Location: Cambridge/England

Carol Nistri.

When a person remembers something they can have different sensations, some sensations tell them that a certain event actually happened, other sensations lead the individual to have doubts about what they remembered but they feel confident that the core truth of what they recall is correct. Yet other sensations created by certain memories, may leave the individual with little or no confidence in them. My alien contact memories contain all of these sensations but the vast bulk of them leave me in no doubt that certain events were real and actually took place, however I must add to these confident sensations the mind control technology of the aliens, ie did they implant false memories, (I would have no control over such events if they had.) Having hypnosis by a competent hypnotist, once one feels one has remembered all that one can and having hypnosis is unlikely to colour important weak memories, is a useful tool to unlock the deeper subconscious levels of the mind where useful memories and data may still lurk.

The sad fact is, confidence in one`s memories is not enough evidence to convince the skeptics and so one must pursue every test presently available and if in the future a new scientific method becomes available, such as direct a direct video mind link operated under hypnosis, one must pusue such tests aswell. I have not as yet read Jeremey`s post.
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**TheScamDetective** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: California

Carol
I would also think that an abductee wants confirmation that it really did happen. Hynosis is a kind of proof for them, imo.
I can only imagine how they must feel when they have these very real memories and then get bombarded with....you were dreaming it all....you must have psychological problems....you probably made it all up for attention....etc.
Phillip...I wish you all the best in your search for answers, I hope the hypnosis helps and please keep us updated.
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

Scam,Im one thats said for years and years I believe that some people have been in contact with something,aliens? Who knows. Have you ever seen two abdcutees get together and talk about their experiences,you havent have you. They dont,amazingly they just dont,even among abductees they dont believe one another,one persons experience and musings can and are entirely different from the next person etc. Its so so important that we dont lead anyone down a path thats just flatout false,I personally want no part of convincing anyone theve been abdcuted when the actual truth is we just dont know.It would be grossly unfair to the person believing theve had this experience.

**TheScamDetective** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: California

Carol
I may be wrong, but I thought there was some kind of annual conference or get together for abductees.
Did I just dream that, or has anyone heard of that??
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

I dont know about a yearly convention or conference I do know that according to some shows Ive watched they do have support groups,but on the net,Ive looked and watched and have never seen two abductees talk to each other on a board like this,you would think just the opposite right,but Ive never seen it happen.

graylien · Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 174 Location: UK

There's not much in the way of conferences over here in England. The biggest UFO organisation is BUFORA, who actually banned their investigators from using hypnotic regression many years ago (I believe Jenny Randles instigated the policy.) Other than that there are just a bunch of local paranormal groups run by enthusiasts.
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Ataraxik · Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject:

Hypnosis in no way confirms anything. That is not how it works.
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

Grayalien why did they ban hypnosis? What was the reason given? And Atar providing the person doing the hypnosis doesnt ask any leading questions how could this not be a valuable tool,I thought the objection was that the person doing the hypnosis ineveitably led the person in the direction they wanted them to go. What if the hypnotist merely put the person under and asked them to relate whatever came to mind.Im not sure how to narrow it down to the time in question without asking a leading question but it seems to me that that cant be insurmountable. Are you saying hypnosis is unacceptable under any circumstances or that its unacceptable in the hands of someone that investigates abductees,I dont understand.

Philip Edwards · Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 209 Location: Cambridge/England

Hypnosis does have a use in ufology.

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sf-clancy-abducted.html

Whether hypnosis is accurate or not is not my issue, the fact is I have decided to try it because I have recalled all that I can without hypnosis and I want to see if I can recall anything further. Here is a pdf on mind and memory.

http://www.pediapress.com/dlpreview/hobhdcohnginxvfr/preview.pdf
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graylien · Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 174 Location: UK

I've read Susan Clancy's book myself. I thought she did a very poor job of presenting her case, and she seemed rather ill informed about the history of Ufology.

As for Jenny Randles, I think it was her analysis of the Aveley Abduction that led her to distrust hypnotic regression. The witnesses were regressed by a dentist and came up with a very bizarre story indeed. Randles suspected that their consciously remembered experience had been genuine, but that the memories retrieved under hypnosis were not. (She had actually observed some of the regression sessions.)

You can read more about her reasons for discounting hypnosis here: My View of Abductions.

She also made quite a few posts about regression to the UFO updates list. You can still find some of them via the Google cache: such as this one.
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**TheScamDetective** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: California

Gray
"The witnesses were regressed by a dentist and came up with a very bizarre story indeed."
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I hardly think a dentist is the right person to be hypnotizing people for the purpose of regression!!
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

Graylien,one of my brothers has a beautiful daughter that was swept off her feet by a good looking jerk. He told my brother that he was going to make his fortune by learning hypnosis and helping people to stop smoking,they moved to San Diago and he actually did it,but the money he made was soon all snorted up his nose,my brothers daughter came home just three years later and is now making it very well on her own. This guy said he had a 'natural knack' for hypnotizing people,Im not sure about that but until he became a hypnotist he couldnt hold a job down for anything,so it doesnt take a genius or anyone with special skills or education to master the art of hypnosis,however growing a goatee certainly helped to look the part. I still think hypnosis done correctly to help one remember these incidents can be enormously helpful. But knowing that anyone can learn to do this means that checking out the credentials is of the utmost importance,as a matter of fact were it me I would make sure absolutely certain that the hypnotist I chose had zero to do with hypnotizing abductees,Id want a virgin for this one.

**TheScamDetective** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: California

Carol
There are many licensed, certified psychologists and psychiatrists who use hynosis.
It is no different than going to a quack vs a board certified doctor!!
If I were an abductee I would want to remember as much as I could too.
A qualified psychologist who could hypnotize me would at least confirm or refute FOR ME whether or not it really happened.
I would bring my own voice recorder and tape the sessions myself.
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Ataraxik · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:58 am Post subject:

The 'hypnotized' subject remains 100% conscious the entire time and the hypnotist is not delving into the subject's subconscious or anything like that, nor is hypnotism some sort of magic tap into inner truth. If the subject is deluded, or mistaken, or lying before hypnosis, the subject can do the same under hypnosis, or can choose whatever tack he wishes to. 99% of the 'powers' attributed to hypnosis is hogwash. It is just increasing focus and concentration via a meditative method, but the subject retains the will to focus on whatever he or she wants to focus on, including lies. Even when being truthful, you still only get what the subject interpreted his observation to be, and all the cultural and environmental biases remain.
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