An unusual site that I ran across at Peanuts Gang.
One wonders what all of these various groups are up to..?
http://www.pehi.eu/AppendixA.htm

From the article:
"Did you notice that almost every single group we don't know that much about is related to intelligence? We can only guess how much more has been hidden from the public completely."
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Exactly!!

Scam,
You are beginning to sound like a conspiracy theorist.......

It amazes me how many intelligent people deny that there are real conspiracies out there when it is so obvious . And I 'm not talking about the more bizarre ones like the moon hoax, aliens in ancient Sumeria, chemtrail poisoning in the skies, etc, but the very real political and financial ones all around us that are controlled by the rich and powerful, ie; The Bilderberg Group, RIIA, CFR etc. How anyone can think that these groups have the common persons best interest at heart is beyond me.

Very simple, nobody wants to believe that any being or organization there-of that threatens their freedom or property could be hidden or non-material, and if it is hidden or non-material, it must be acting in their best interest.

Simple human psychology, if I can't threaten it, it can't possibly threaten me, flawed but logical.

Of course, we can very much threaten them, as their power just happens to be based on negatively valued paper, which is quite flammable, and scare tactics which can only affect you if you trust in the aforementioned valueless paper..

Simple logic, if the threats are immaterial, then they can be ignored or defeated by equally immaterial means, simply, belief or understanding.

Likewise, if what is threatened is material, but not necessary, then the threats only have power if what is threatened is is deemed necessary.

ergo, if you wish to escape the threats, give up what is threatened and used to control you, then 'scary big brother' has to look utterly demonic to control you, creating the second threat, physical retaliation by an organization with a lot of weaponry. This is quite threatening to anyone who is scared to die, or be gravely injured.

Of course, fear of death is also irrational to anyone who accepts that they will die, leaving this threat baseless to them, and making them very much threatening to 'scary big brother'.

Leaving but one strategy (or perhaps more than one, but this one comes to mind first), burn the money, quit fearing the inevitable, and stand up for your rights.

This power of theirs was attained through fear, if they can't scare you, they have no power..

I would put more stock in the influence of entities like the Bilderberg Group if we could actually trace any significant event back to their doorstep. I cannot believe that this Group's actions could be so thoroughly transparent that their tracks could be totally and permanently untraceable.

To me, the run-up of oil prices in the Summer of 2008 would be a good place to start. Something was going on in the oil market that cannot be explained by demand, politics, terrorism or any of the "usual suspects". Some one or some group seemingly conspired to jack oil up to $147 a barrel for some reason. Whoever did this had to have global reach and many, many billions of dollars at their disposal. Did they do it to drive the world economy into recession? Did they want to ensure that Obama would be elected to the US Presidency?

Where is The New York Times or Washington Post or even Fox News when it comes to digging into that story? Where is this generation's Woodward and Bernstein?

S

Skeptical wrote:I would put more stock in the influence of entities like the Bilderberg Group if we could actually trace any significant event back to their doorstep. I cannot believe that this Group's actions could be so thoroughly transparent that their tracks could be totally and permanently untraceable.

To me, the run-up of oil prices in the Summer of 2008 would be a good place to start. Something was going on in the oil market that cannot be explained by demand, politics, terrorism or any of the "usual suspects". Some one or some group seemingly conspired to jack oil up to $147 a barrel for some reason. Whoever did this had to have global reach and many, many billions of dollars at their disposal. Did they do it to drive the world economy into recession? Did they want to ensure that Obama would be elected to the US Presidency?

Where is The New York Times or Washington Post or even Fox News when it comes to digging into that story? Where is this generation's Woodward and Bernstein?

S

I used to read a fair amount on conspiracies of all types, but over the years I have come to the conclusion that most of it is bunk...though groups like the Bilderbergers, RIIA, CFR, certainly have a great deal of influence on markets, economies ,and govts...behind the scenes.
Is this conspiracy..? It depends on what you define as conspiracy.

Two or more people creating a plan in secret can be considered a conspiracy, so yeah.

At least, to me it is..

I tend to think that something akin to the Hunts' attempt to corner the silver market back in the late 1970s may have occurred with oil - but I have no idea if such a thing is really possible. You have to figure that there were some huge winners and huge losers in that run-up. Many billions of dollars changed hands somewhere... but in whose pocket did it end up? And who, besides us consumers, were the big losers? God knows, if you bought oil futures at $140 thinking they'd easily go to 165, you had to be ready to jump out the window when oil spiralled back down to $36 a barrel. Even now that it's back up to $72, you are still in the hole big-time.

If there is a conspiracy at work, it would have to be casual and very loosely-knit. Seems to me that these power-brokers would think nothing of screwing over their co-conspirators if they thought they could reap some advantage from it.

All that being said, mere money probably isn't even on the radar any more for some of these Bilderberg-types. Even power would get to be a bore. Poor guys, wonder what aphrodisiacs are left for them?

S

All part of the system, my dear Watson, the money does not need to fall into the hands of anyone in particular, as long as it is made and spent, these men reap the profit through the debts.

To answer some of your questions, they are smart, but very un-wise, and seek only they're own well-being, letting their co-conspiritors fall, take the blame, or even die in the process..

And truly, there is nothing else left for them in this world, which is why they are funding expanses into the universe, to take more land and resources, enslave more beings, and collect more debt.

All they ever really owned was debt.

Reminds me of the old F. Scott Fitzgerald quote:

"Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them...cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand."

Nice quote Skep..........

I don't believe in conspiracies like the hard core nutters do.
The only conspiracy in this is that rich people want to get richer and stay at the top of the food chain. Same old story as always.

You mean the money chain.

If it were the food chain, they would have been killed off by now.

Seriously, it's not like they provide anything useful to the world, just greed, suffering, and a near-unreachable position to strive towards..

I'm pretty sure we could do without that..

The thing that is particularly disturbing about these shadowy people - they seek the rewards of dominance but leave the tiresome duties of administration and bureaucracy to others. These others have only the illusion of control.

Could we do without them? Probably. But, if they ever disappeared, more would come to take their place. Alpha males (and perhaps females) will be with us as long as we are human.

S

Skeptical wrote:The thing that is particularly disturbing about these shadowy people - they seek the rewards of dominance but leave the tiresome duties of administration and bureaucracy to others. These others have only the illusion of control.

Could we do without them? Probably. But, if they ever disappeared, more would come to take their place. Alpha males (and perhaps females) will be with us as long as we are human.

S

I couldn't agree more......there have always been those who want to control things either through brute political force or behind the scenes with money and wealth. It's human nature and until that changes or evolves...and I'm not holding my breath, it will remain this way.

'Nothing will change for the better in the world until there is a fundamental change in the very nature of human consciousness.'
J Krishnamurti

Indeed, there is the issue of those that would rise to take it's place, and the only way to properly stop this from reoccurring is for someone to have that much control or for people to wake up and smell what's been brewing under their noses and leave it forever (or for at least a very long time). The former carries the issue of a repeat of what it originally sought to erase, and the later is difficult but not impossible, humans are already waking up and catching whiffs of the madness that their grandfathers didn't even notice.

A massive dying out of those that aren't awakened that leaves enough of those that are around to make a better society would be preferred, but that would take disasters of biblical proportions, and no, I'm not justifying slaughter on a world-wide scale, but deaths of a lot of people, while incredibly depressing, is becoming almost necessary as the worlds population increases exponentially.

Murder may be bad, but death is a constant, one of the only constants, and is necessary..