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Carol Nistri
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: CIA and UFO Files |
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The Secret CIA UFO Files
Published in the November 1997 issue.
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The Central Intelligence Agency says it has finally come clean about UFOs. To absolutely no one's surprise, it knew more than it ever let on.
"Over half of all UFO reports from the late 1950s through the 1960s were accounted for by manned reconnaissance flights," says Gerald K. Haines, a historian for the National Reconnaissance Office who studied secret CIA UFO files for an internal CIA study that examined the spy agency's involvement in UFOs through the 1990s.
Why lie about UFOs? "The Soviets could use UFO reports to touch off mass hysteria and panic in the United States and overload the U.S. air warning system so that it could not distinguish real targets from phantom UFOs," Haines says.
If Cold War hysteria seems to be a less than satisfactory explanation, perhaps it is because there really is more to the story.
POPULAR MECHANICS has learned from nonclassified sources that the United States had a serious reason for wanting the public to keep believing that the strange lights in the sky were of unearthly origin. The government kept the UFO myth alive to disguise the embarrassing fact that during the hottest days of the Cold War, America's two most secret intelligence gathering assets–the A-12 and SR-71 spyplanes–flew toward hostile terrain with the equivalent of cow bells dangling from their necks.
The deception of the public began in the early 1950s. It involved the then highly secret, and to this day little-known, A-12. If you think you saw an SR-71 Blackbird at an air and space museum, the odds are you were actually looking at an A-12. The idea for the plane was conceived in 1954 by CIA director Allen Dulles. The objective of this secret program, according to aviation historian Paul F. Crickmore, was to build a spyplane capable of flying higher and faster than the U-2.
The secret development program, which was originally called Project Aquatone, and then Gusto and then Oxcart, led to the first A-12 mockup. It became connected with UFO lore in late 1959 when, according to Crickmore, it was trucked from the famous Lockheed Skunk Works, in Palmdale, California, to Groom Lake, Nevada. (Also known to UFO enthusiasts as Area 51, this formerly secret test site is located about 100 miles north of Las Vegas, Nevada.) Hidden in the desert and surrounded by then active Atomic Energy Commission testing grounds, the A-12 mockup underwent a series of tests to determine and then reduce its ability to deflect and absorb radar signals. The CIA liked what it saw and ordered a dozen.
Lockheed had built what to this day is considered the most amazing aircraft of all time. But before it could fly, it needed engines that could propel the plane to Mach 3.2 and an altitude of more than 97,600 ft. In February 1962, Pratt & Whitney announced its already overdue J58 engines could not be delivered anytime soon. As an interim solution, they offered less powerful J75 engines that, according to Crickmore, would take the A-12 to about 50,000 ft. and a speed of Mach 1.6. CIA engineers accepted the offer after calculating that an A-12 equipped with a pair of J75 engines should be able to fly faster than Mach 2. The radar-deflecting shapes of the F-117A (top) and SR-71 (above) lend themselves to misinterpretations as UFOs.
"In order to placate the directors who controlled the agency's purse strings, [Lockheed test pilot] Bill Park dived an A-12 to Mach 2," says Crickmore. "[It] relieved some of the high-level pressure on the design team." Without intending to, Park also opened a new chapter in UFO history.
One of the features about UFO sightings that has consistently baffled the experts is their apparent ability to swoop downward, hover and then soar into the sky at impossible speeds.
Viewed head on, this is exactly how an A-12 or an SR-71–its J58-powered successor–appears to move at times during a normal flight. The maneuver is called a "dipsy doodle."
Col. Richard H. Graham, who commanded the U.S. Air Force 9th Strategic Reconnaissance Wing and has written a history of the SR-71 titled SR-71 Revealed, recently explained the dipsy doodle to PM. The pilot begins by climbing to about 30,000 ft. with the afterburners glowing. At about 33,000 ft., with the plane at Mach .95, he noses the aircraft over. Heading down at a pitch as great as 30 degrees, the plane falls as fast as 3000 ft. per minute. After 10 to 20 seconds, the pilot pulls out of the dive, then accelerates skyward at more than twice the speed of sound.
There is one more very UFO-like characteristic of the SR-71: The glow of its exhaust periodically turns green.
The SR-71 burns fuel modified to withstand high temperatures. It doesn't light easily. "One early 'hiccup' was ignition," Crickmore recalls. "The [J58] engine would not start no matter what procedure was tried."
Eventually the problem was solved by the introduction of a chemical that explodes on contact with the atmosphere. Graham says it must be introduced into the engine when it is started, and it also kicks-in the afterburners. This happens after each aerial refueling, which, given the SR-71's enormous thirst, is quite often. Each time, it produces another image that could be misinterpreted as a UFO–flashing colored lights.
The green flash and distinctive dipsy doodle can be spotted from miles away. Observing the pattern created by these strange sights provides a map to the SR-71's target area, giving those on the ground enough time to hide whatever the spyplane has been sent to photograph.
Curiously, the ebb and flow of UFO sightings in the Southwest correspond with the comings and goings of secret aircraft. Some of the most intense UFO spottings coincided with the testing of the F-117A stealth fighter, which was stationed just west of Area 51. These may account for the yet unexplained sightings.
What better way to hide extraordinary aircraft than to wrap them in the compelling fiction of aliens?
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TheScamDetective
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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The excuse that they want the public to think they are seeing ufos when they are all just top secret spy planes is silly because there are way too many skeptics out there that are not buying the ufo angle.
So, they are not really fooling everyone...only a small percent of the population is actually really into ufology!!!! _________________ "It's our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities."
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Carol Nistri
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: lol,nice going Scam, |
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| this would mean we have secret spy planes all over the world,in every country on earth and spying 24/7 its ridiculous.But,those only mildly interested in the subject will read that and actually buy into it.
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Carol Nistri
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: lol,nice going Scam, |
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| this would mean we have secret spy planes all over the world,in every country on earth and spying 24/7 its ridiculous.But,those only mildly interested in the subject will read that and actually buy into it.
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Will Sheephogan

Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 624 Location: Pahrump Nevada
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:18 am Post subject: INSIDERS EXPOSE REASONS FOR UFO SECRECY |
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I get this in the email once a week - nothing really new but I was kind of curious about the last sentence.
INSIDERS EXPOSE REASONS FOR UFO SECRECY
Disclosure Project (www.DisclosureProject.org) Director Dr. Steven M. Greer reports that government insiders have revealed the existence of a shadowy, highly classified program related to UFOs.
The reasons for the secrecy are simple: The inertia of highly classified programs, embarrassment over past illegal actions taken to enforce secrecy, and the fact that the energy and propulsion systems behind the mysterious UFO objects have been studied and fully understood. This disclosure would spell the end for oil, gas, coal and other conventional forms of power - and with that, the end of the current oil-based geopolitical order and economy. The truth is our tax dollars have been used to investigate this matter for decades and it is time for a dividend on that investment. The full disclosure of the facts will enable humanity to attain a sustainable civilization without global warming or the need for oil.
Recent calls for a US government investigation into UFOs have not taken into account the fact that such investigations are on-going, highly compartmented and top-secret.
Dr. Greer states, "As early as 1993, when I personally briefed CIA Director James Woolsey on the UFO matter, we knew of on-going, secret projects to which President Clinton and Mr. Woolsey were denied access. The senior counsel for the Senate Appropriations Committee, then headed by Senator Byrd (D-WV) told me directly that upwards of $100 billion per year was going into so-called 'black' projects, including UFO programs, but that with a top-secret clearance and a subpoena power, he could not penetrate the veil of secrecy."
Subsequently, working with philanthropist Laurence Rockefeller, Dr. Greer provided in-depth briefing materials for President Clinton and Hillary Clinton, who reviewed the matter while staying at the Rockefeller's JY Ranch. (The briefing materials are at www.DisclosureProject.org).
Dr. Greer reports that "The Clintons refused further disclosure of the!
matter. CIA Director Woolsey frankly stated that they could not disclose programs over which they had no control or access. Mr. Woolsey and the Clintons were shaken by the secrecy, and the power behind it."
Since then, The Disclosure Project has uncovered thousands of official US documents and top-secret military and corporate witnesses to programs dealing with UFOs, including project code names and numbers. Such operations are rogue and are beyond the scope of Congressional oversight committees.
For further information or for an interview with Dr. Greer contact: http://www.DisclosureProject.org.
Note: The two paragraphs referring to Laurence Rockefeller and to Bill and Hillary Clinton had to be removed from this press release when we sent it out through our press release service - PRNewswire.com, because they refused to send out the original press release with those references. It was referred up the chain of command at their organization and censored by them. When you think that we have a free press, think again. This was not even censored by the outlets themselves, but by the entry point to those outlets! _________________ SOMNIUM MENS est IANUA ut INFINITIO
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Carol Nistri
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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this last sentence Will?
'This was not even censored by the outlets themselves, but by the entry point to those outlets!'
Skeptical,could you explain this to us?
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Will Sheephogan

Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 624 Location: Pahrump Nevada
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Well, actually the foot note, but what factor would prevent a news agency to report this? _________________ SOMNIUM MENS est IANUA ut INFINITIO
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TheScamDetective
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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From Carol's beginning post:
"After 10 to 20 seconds, the pilot pulls out of the dive, then accelerates skyward at more than twice the speed of sound."
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I am not an aeronautical expert by any means...but wouldn't that create a sonic boom?
Also, wouldn't these planes be audible??
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Will
"Mr. Woolsey and the Clintons were shaken by the secrecy, and the power behind it."
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It's that "power" that worries me more. _________________ "It's our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities."
Dumbledore
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Skeptical Site Admin

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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PR Newswire is just a public relations service. The only reason I can see for them balking at releasing the whole story is that the Clintons and the Rockefellers might be litigious enough to challenge the eminent Doctor Greer's unsubstantiated claims. If the censoring happened at all, it was undoubted at the behest of PR Newswire's attorneys.
Note that PR Newswire is a PR firm and not what I would consider a bonafide news agency.
S _________________ "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." -- Thomas Jefferson
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Carol Nistri
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| thanks Skep ,you'd be the guy to ask allright.
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Will Sheephogan

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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That would about sum it up, thanks Skep!! _________________ SOMNIUM MENS est IANUA ut INFINITIO
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