Has the Tricksters taken a turn or two as the Virgin Mary?

**Skeptical**

R. Lee, a good friend of Department 47, has written a number of interesting articles over at UFO Digest. One of her most recent efforts may hit a nerve among some of the orthodox - she suggests that some visions of the Blessed Virgin may, in fact, be the work of the ubiquitous Trickster:

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0807/trickster.html

I don't quite know what to make of various Trickster theories, but I am pretty sure Jesus's Mother probably doesn't make a practice of hanging around remote villages and appearing before every deserving kid . Any thoughts?

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**TheScamDetective** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: California

If it is a trickster behind the apparitions, then for what purpose?
I think it is more likely just people getting caught up in religious fervor.
The supposed messages are not exactly earth shattering or reveal anything of great importance.
If, however, aliens are responsible for these apparitions, they could either be testing us to see how we would react to
that kind of visitation...or they could be mocking us.
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**Skeptical** · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:00 am Post subject:

Scam -- for me, that is the problem with the Trickster theories -- motive. Why is it that beings would spend that much time and effort simply to bedevil and befuddle humans? It doesn't make sense - or at least it doesn't from a human perspective. I do hearken back to those old Star Trek episodes in which they suggest that some beings gain sustenance from emotion. Perhaps the Tricksters get something out of scaring or thrilling us. I could also cite the case of Mr Myxlplik, the extradimensional who periodically pestered Superman. He did it just for the fun of it. it may be that being an advanced creature does not preclude you from being an a-hole practical joker. Smile

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**TheScamDetective** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: California

I don't buy into the trickster theory either.
I think it is just one of those ways that some people have to try to explain something so that it will be more compatible with their other beliefs.
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**Revan** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 139 Location: USA

Yep, R. Lee writes great articles. I have her's on my site to:

http://ufoalley.bravehost.com/mary.html

I also have Stephen Yulish's response to it:

http://ufoalley.bravehost.com/realmary.html
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**TheScamDetective** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: California

Dr Wu
I do not equate my Atheism with my opinion that the ETH is the correct one.
The two have no connection as far as I can see.
I have dabbled in some dialogue about the possibility of ET's being responsible for our creation...but that would still not connect it to my Atheism, imo.
I do not see ET's as godlike and I do not see my Atheism as connected to ufology in any way shape or form.
Apples and oranges, my friend.
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**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2254 Location: Indiana

No offense Scam but you obviously need to reread what you wrote....here I'll quote it again for you

**TheScamDetective** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: California

Ahh but you see Atheism as a belief system....I see it as a LACK of a belief system in a deity.
If I saw more evidence for the EDH, I would lean towards that theory.
I think Roswell provided a lot of evidence for the ETH.
"You say potato and I say potahto...you say tomato and I say tomahto..."
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**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2254 Location: Indiana

Scam,
You are a hopeless bleever in little green..er..grey men.

Laughing

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**TheScamDetective** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: California

Hmmm... and you, my dear Dr Wu, are a very nice soft skeptic.
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OldTimeradio · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:19 am Post subject:

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"And doesn't that still leave the problem of how those ET creators got created?"
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No more so than...who created god?
I support evolution, but I enjoy debating other theories as well.
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OldTimeradio · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:43 am Post subject:

OldTimeradio · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:07 am Post subject:

The idea of a "Trickster Mary" is by no means unknown to the Roman Catholic Church. That is one of the main reasons that the Church is usually so reluctant to approve "visions of Mary."

But what the Church is talking about here are "demonic impersonations" of Mary.

Many famous "sightings" of the Virgin have been followed by what I'll call "secondary visions," in which other people in the same general neighborhood report that they also experiene Marian visions. But these putative "visionaries" are very often people of decidedly low moral character and the doctrines and teachings they receive are replete with theological errors (anti-Christian, not just anti-Catholic).

More importantly in one of the secondary visions which followed upon the famous mid-19th Century experiences of Bernadette Soubirous the "Virgin" was accompanied by two "angels" who seem to have erupted right out of UFO lore.

They seemed much more "tough guy" bodyguards than angels in the usually-accepted sense, and they were dressed in black slacks, black turtleneck sweaters and black berets.

No UFO buff needs to be told who they resemble!
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