Let the good times roll!!

**Skeptical** · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject:

America is a melting pot but it doesn't mean we all think the same way. Obama's stance on the issues seems to be resonating with a significant percentage of the American public. So if he's not American, it would seem he is in pretty good un-American company.

My problem with him is that I believe what we are seeing is not a real person. It is a marketing package. Obama, like any candidate, is saying what it takes to get elected. I think he and his supporters will find the President's job is tremendously more complex than what they think. He will be forced to compromise or sell-out when reality smacks him in the head.

Now the same can be said of McCain but, at the end of the day, he has a great deal more experience upon which to draw when the campaign commercials stop and the real work begins.

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**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2254 Location: Indiana

**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

did anyone notice the day after this cover came out Mrs.Obama has left the campaign trail "To spend more time with her children".

**Skeptical** · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:06 am Post subject:

McCain may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but Clinton was a Rhodes scholar and I doubt they'll be carving his mug on Mount Rushmore any time soon. Jimmy Carter is another example of an extremely intelligent man who could not deliver when it came to leadership. No one is going to accuse Ronald Reagan of being a genius, but he was one hell of a leader. For that reason, I have to say that pure intelligence may have little to do with one's capability to effectively lead.

As for the value of experience, I think that it tells you more about what "not" to do than what to do. But, if we can get this country to the point where it doesn't make the same mistakes again, that would be a quantum improvement. We need someone who knows history, who has, in fact, lived it -- and who has learned from it.

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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

Here here Skeptical,well said. Ive got to hand it to Obama tho,he went to Iraq and Afganastan and hes still sticking to his guns about pulling out within sixteen months of his becoming president.

**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2254 Location: Indiana

**Skeptical** · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject:

I really can't see McCain as a two-term president. At 72, he's barely electable now. Probably more than any candidate in recent history, McCain's chances really do hinge on who he picks to balance the ticket. My choice would be Romney but I cannot imagine the Republican party pushing very hard for that combination. If Colin Powell would sign up for VP, wouldn't that set up an interesting dynamic? Wink

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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

Romney is superb where the economy is concerned,he would be the perfect choice for these times.

**Skeptical** · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject:

I just read an article today that hyped Romney as a front-runner for that very reason, carol - he brings experience in business and economics to supplement McCain's experience with foreign affairs. Romney would then be a good choice to head up the ticket in 2012.

I think both guys are getting close to making their picks. Guess we'll just have to wait and see how things shake out.

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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

I think McCain with his decades of experience is letting the new kid on the block run riot.Then when Obama makes mistakes and hes bound two both he and Romney will emerge as the Sage Ones,wise in the ways of the world,etc.We shall see but right now Obamas got the political world by the um,gonads.

**Skeptical** · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:59 am Post subject:

Obama continues his European Tour '08 (tee-shirts available at the concession stand) but it will be interesting to see the reaction. I still think that some European leaders are rubbing their hands together thinking that Obama is a man that can be manipulated. I hope not for our sake... but I worry. Confused

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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

and thats a genuine concern Skep,its what all of us that see this guy as a possible flash in the pan,elected to Presdient and then all of a sudden people will want to know just who it was they were so dazzled by.The truth is we dont know a thing about Obama,hes already flipflopping for the sole purpose of getting votes.Sigh,what to do what to do.

**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2254 Location: Indiana

IMO just about anyone is better than Dubya.
McCain has flip flopped just as many times as Obama , and probably more over the years since he has been a senator longer.

Obama is light years more intelligent , articulate, and savvy that McCain....but what also matters are the people behind the scenes. Which candidate has the better (and more appropriate for the times) brain trust behind him..?
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**TheScamDetective** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: California

I'm back. Got a new(er) car. A 97 Pontiac Bonneville that was owned by the city and was driven by detectives. It has some awesome tinted windows lol. Drives like a dream and was within my budget. It has a V-6 engine and so far gets great gas milage.
Now for the bad news, they are raising the rents on apartments in this complex, so I put in my 30 day notice and am busy packing and packing!!!
Ok, now for politics.
McCain is already reminding me way too much of Reagan. He is not nearly as sharp as many think.
Obama is younger and not as experienced, but that is not a bad thing, imo.
After 8 years of Bush Jr. a water buffalo could do a better job!!
McCain only offers more of Bushism, we need a better plan.
I am much more willing to trust Obama than McCain.
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3292

I just have to wonder Scam,how much is Obama his own man.I can see him in Washington and those vultures swooping in to try to tell him what to think. Hes young and hes experienced but only to a very small extent,will he be dependent on his advisors to get him thru that critical first year? Shees,I wish superman were real.