Edgar Mitchell radio interview about UFO's.

HopoUK

Now this makes for interesting listening. He talks about what he knows, and about disclosure.

**Skeptical** · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject:

I don't know, Hopo, Mitchell is pretty much speaking the standard ETH party line here - nothing that Stan Friedman hasn't been saying for years. Now, the assumption is that a guy who was in the space program 35 years ago has some inside information about UFOs. Personally, I don't know if that is the case or not. If high-powered Senators like Barry Goldwater were out of the loop, I am not at all convinced that a run-of-the-mill astronaut would be privy to any inside info.

Besides, did you notice Edgar never says he's actually seen anything himself? Everything is "I've been told." Also, he mentions all the documents that have been made public lately -- but are any of them qualitatively different from any that have been released in the past? Lastly, he mentions the release of UK and French documents. He seems to forget that the U.S. Air Force made all of their records public back in 1969 when Bluebook shut down. The US is being accused of a cover-up when, in fact, they were the first to go public with their case files. How exactly does that add up?

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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3225

I agree with most of what you just wrote Skep,with the exception of the U.S. and its disclosure back in 69. We may have disclosed that which would have made sense to the public but Im betting that they held back on stories of pilots being outrun and outmanuvered by flying saucers.I think the idea was to calm the frayed nerves of the public telling them that its allright,nothing to be worried about.Had they chosen to truely disclose everything they had on the subject then the public hearing that the best we had at the time couldnt even come close to chasing and shooting down a ufo would have undermined the publics confidence in the government ,at the time and during the cold war the public weary of war and still with jangled nerves couldnt have taken such news,Im convinced of that.Didnt Dr.Hynek come right out and say they used ludicrious cover stories all the time.That the idea of humiliating an observer or given nonsense explanations happend on a regular basis,it still does only the public is wise to it now.

**Skeptical** · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:53 am Post subject:

The whole thing of saying that a job title qualifies you as an "insider" just doesn't hold water. After all, I can honestly say that I am a Senior Information Technology Consultant who has worked on high performance computing projects at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. With a title like that, I could go on to C2C tomorrow -- but it doesn't mean a thing.

Mr. Mitchell is certainly entitled to his opinion but, if you look closely, he presents nothing more of substance than anyone else.

And Carol - you are right - the USAF almost certainly culled through the reports before releasing them - but I'm betting the French and Brits have done no less.

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Jeremy Vaeni · Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 460 Location: New York

The only thing amazing about the interview is how amazed the host is at what he's hearing. If he'd done any due diligence on Mitchel or ufology in general, this would not be a major revelation from a man who walked on the moon but a rehashing of all the things he's said before based on his own studies and personal chats with friends "in the know." But I really didn't hear him say anything that would lead me to believe we're on the cusp of disclosure.
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3225

well Ive got to hand it to the public in general,there kept at it and kept at it until we actully have disclosed most of it ourselves,the only thing now would be verification.Ill bet nothing is going to surprise us since weve considered everything under the sun.

Will Sheephogan · Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 624 Location: Pahrump Nevada

He stated; "I happen to have been privileged enough to be IN ON the fact that [ahhh] we have been visited on this planet. And the ufo phenomena is real - other than it has been covered up by the governments for quite a long time."

Being privy and "IN ON" - "fact", is indeed quite a statement. It is (fact) not hearsay and that is NOT following the mainstream ufologists reports and theories. You can say whatever - he lost his mind to fantasy or he didn't phrase that line correctly but he does indeed say here that he witnessed or has personal knowledge by privilege anyway you want to read his statement. FWIW Give me the corpse please, stop telling me and just give me the damn "space visitor" and his craft.
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3225

but you know what
Will,its not too much of a stretch to thing that Mitchell has been privy to information that we havent,I cant imagine any astrnout anywhere that hasnt wondered about just what ufos are,its hard to imagine that they havent at least been briefed on what to do what procedure to follow should they encounter a ufo during flight,what if one approaced them when they were doing repairs outside the shuttle,what procedure should they follow,if anything Ill be Mitchell has skipped some instructions that they were told to follow should the emergency arise.

HopoUK · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject:

My feeling is that astronauts have to be privy to at least some top secret info on UFO's and memorise procedures on what to do if they encounter one while in orbit. Let's face it, most people believe that UFO's come from space, so if anyone will see a strange craft, it will be astronauts, especially as they have a clear view of space due to lack of interference from an atmosphere.

Edgar Mirchell is an intelligent man, you have to be as it's a definite requirement for the astronaut core. Intelligent people would think twice about saying that they believe, yet he has come forward and said it, and that to me shows that he is a firm believer. He's doing this at the risk of ridicule, so I admire his courage.

I think that he knows more than he's letting on.

Will Sheephogan · Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 624 Location: Pahrump Nevada

**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3225

Hopo,Ill have to say after listening to Mitchell several times on C2C that he comes across somewhat guarded in his speech,not that theres anything wrong with that certainly not,but you never come away thinking this man actually knows something as a matter of fact sometimes I think he came into the astronaut thing a little too soon.Maybe not,but hes never said anything earth shattering either.

Philip Edwards · Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 207 Location: Cambridge/England

I have posted on my blog, a youtube video of the recent Kerrang radio interview with Edgar Mitchell.

http://aliendiscoveries.blogspot.com
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**Skeptical** · Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:23 am Post subject:

This thread got me to thinking -- who's testimony would it take for us to accept the real, physical existence of extraterrestrials? Would we believe anyone - based on their word alone? Probably not -- and I think that is exactly the way it should be. Whether it was Abe Lincoln or Mother Theresa, no one's word alone should be good enough on such a monumental subject. We need proof and we deserve proof.

We live in a world where no government agency has ever ever done anything perfectly. How can we expect that these same governments somehow managed to carry-off a perfectly-executed cover-up of UFOs for more than 60 years? It just doesn't wash.

Now, that doesn't mean there's nothing weird going on -- it just means the government probably doesn't have any better clue about it than anyone else does. If that is the case, there are no insiders. There is no one "in the know." If we continue to wait and push the government toward disclosure, we're in for many years worth of frustration for which the net results will be bupkis.

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**Skeptical** · Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject:

Hey - check this out - the author of this article speculates that Mitchell's revelation may actually have been calculated to coincide with the release of the new X-Files movie:

http://www.mottimorphic.com/Mitchell_1.html

Boy, I tell you what, if this is true, somebody needs to kick EM in the ass. Trading on his legacy as an astronaut to hype a movie has got to be pretty close to a new low. Sad

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