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Carol Nistri
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:23 am Post subject: Have you ever had the feeling youve lived before? |
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| (btw I wasnt sure where to put this and Skeptical is going on vacation so if you want this moved elsewhere say so now). Oprah had on a show with Dr.Oz,of all things the subject was past lives,does anyone here if only for a few moments ever thought they had lived before?
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TheScamDetective
Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1334 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Carol
If I have, I have no recall of it whatsoever.
Years ago, when I was studying Spiritualism, they brought in a medium..an elderly man that I had never heard of before.
He gave "past life readings".
He told me of two of my supposedly past lives.
The first was in Holland and I raised tulips!!! lol
The second one was in this country in the 1800's and I was a concert pianist married to a concert violinist and we traveled the country by train giving performances.
I was supposedly killed in a train wreck!! lol
I have zero recollection of either of those past lives. He could just as easily have told me I was Cleopatra in a past life lol. _________________ "It's our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities."
Dumbledore
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dr wu23

Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2158 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Nope....but plenty of people believe in such things and in the west we call them nutcases.
Getting serious for a moment reincarnation is a central doctrine in Hinduism and a few other eastern paths...but I have also been doubtful of it;s validity. _________________ "Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
The rippling waters fast as the colors conceal the Green Man."
Roy Harpur from The Green Man
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Carol Nistri
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Scam,how did that guy come to that conclusion,did they hypnotize you or get you involved in anyway?
Yes Dr.Wu,what I was surprised at and may have missed since I missed the first few minutes of Oprah is that they never mentioned the fact that there are very big religious groups that do indeed believe in reincarnation.
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TheScamDetective
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Carol
He sat in a big comfy chair and I sat across from him.
He just closed his eyes for a few minutes and then began speaking.
Other than saying hello, when we were introduced, there was no conversation.
Ok, here is the scary part. After he told me about my "past lives", he opened his eyes and smiled and told me that there were two people standing behind me. One was a short, plump lady who wears her hair in a kind of topknot and she has very sparkly eyes. She was my great grandmother and she wanted me to know she was watching over me.
The other person was a young boy...another relative...he struggled with the name but finally said his name was Albert and he used to write poetry and he was like my
creative muse.
Now, I knew about my cousin Albert, he was killed at 14 years old, when a mule kicked him in the head...this was waaaaay before I was born, so I didn't know much else about him.
I asked an aunt about him and what that medium said and my aunt confirmed that he did have journals filled with poems!!
Hmmmm so ok...then I asked my mom to tell me about her grandmother ( I had never seen a picture of her). Mom's description matched what that medium told me....the topknot, short, heavyset...but the clincher was...mom said the thing she remembered the most was her SPARKLY eyes....the exact word that medium used!!!
Sooooo, how DID he know all that when I didn't??
He could not have read my mind.
So, maybe when we die, we don't go ANYWHERE!! Perhaps our energy just lingers on in another dimension. The question then becomes.....for how long????
Or, maybe a genuine medium can somehow read from the Akashic records and know things that way. _________________ "It's our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities."
Dumbledore
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dr wu23

Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2158 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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scam said: Or, maybe a genuine medium can somehow read from the Akashic records and know things that way.
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I find it ...interesting , that you believe in occult mystical mumbo jumbo like the Akashic Records yet you don't believe in God.
A shrink could have a field day with that one.
 _________________ "Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
The rippling waters fast as the colors conceal the Green Man."
Roy Harpur from The Green Man
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TheScamDetective
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Dr Wu
That was said with tongue-in-cheek. Just because I have read or studied something doesn't mean I believe in it!!
But, no matter what anyone chooses to believe..a belief is NOT proof. _________________ "It's our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities."
Dumbledore
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dr wu23

Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2158 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Dr Wu
But, no matter what anyone chooses to believe..a belief is NOT proof. |
Yes and the belief that there is no God is also not proof and just an opinion.
 _________________ "Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
The rippling waters fast as the colors conceal the Green Man."
Roy Harpur from The Green Man
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roadghost

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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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I find it ...interesting , that you believe in occult mystical mumbo jumbo like the Akashic Records yet you don't believe in God.
A shrink could have a field day with that one.
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I believe the non-mumbo-jumbo term these days is super psi. Whereby the medium or practitioner has some kind of ability to access and cross reference unlimited information psychically, then unconsciously dramatises the information into a communicating spirit, or memories of past lives. It's an alternative theory to the spiritualist model of the deceased making contact. I would imagine the theory rests on ideas regarding holographic or information based models of the universe. _________________ Now we must praise the keeper of the heavenly kingdom
The power of the Measurer and his mind-thoughts,
The work of the glory-father; as he, each of wonders,
the eternal Lord, established from the beginning.
Caedmons Hymn
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Carol Nistri
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| Roadghost,my ex-sister-in -law held a party at her home that she invited about twenty people to. She had a spirtulist come.No kidding she did. The women came and it was really hard not to laugh.She would talk to unseen people she claimed were around her all the time.At one point she stood up and said,"Will you please all just shut up",then she said Thank You and sat down,now I dont think anyone in the room was about to take this women seriously but it was fun just the same. My ex SIL asked her to contact her dead father.The medium went thru whatever it is they do and started to talk saying that Terries Dad was standing behind her and wanted her to know he was very sorry about the Cat. Terri stopped laughing and started crying. None of us knew a thing about her cat and as it turned out it wasnt her cat but her moms cat. Her mom had to go into a nursing home and left her siamise cat with Terri. Terri in turn gave the cat to her own SIL and the cat stopped eating,it wouldnt eat anything,it was actually grieving for Terri's Mom. They brought it to the vets and had it put to sleep after it nearly starved itself to death. Terri hadn't told anyone,not even her husband,(my brother). She was so shaken it was actually visible. After the lady left she told everyone what had happend,the results were that she never again had this particular party,it so unnerved her.
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dr wu23

Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2158 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| dr wu23 wrote: |
I find it ...interesting , that you believe in occult mystical mumbo jumbo like the Akashic Records yet you don't believe in God.
A shrink could have a field day with that one.
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I believe the non-mumbo-jumbo term these days is super psi. Whereby the medium or practitioner has some kind of ability to access and cross reference unlimited information psychically, then unconsciously dramatises the information into a communicating spirit, or memories of past lives. It's an alternative theory to the spiritualist model of the deceased making contact. I would imagine the theory rests on ideas regarding holographic or information based models of the universe. |
I agree that the way we interpret it comes down to semantics and personal paradigms which is why I have thought that all religions are 'wrong' in the sense that they are just attempts to explain the unknown via otherworldly ideas and beliefs .
The truth imo is that Reality and 'what really is' is beyond human terminology (Kant said we can never know the 'thing' in itself) and even using the new Quantum ideas is another model except one from a scientific paradigm. This appeals to the more rational or less religious person and is probably closer to 'what is' since it tries to explain without resorting to blind belief and outdated myth....but there's no guarantee objective approaches are absolute either. _________________ "Some say the valley has always been haunted ever since River ran.
The rippling waters fast as the colors conceal the Green Man."
Roy Harpur from The Green Man
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