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Carol Nistri
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| well you'll have to excuse me while this virtual reality goes takes a shower and goes shopping...for virtual reality groceries in my virtual reality car...
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heretic5
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Carol Nistri wrote: |
| well you'll have to excuse me while this virtual reality goes takes a shower and goes shopping...for virtual reality groceries in my virtual reality car... |
Hm, well, your testimony about the quality of this virtual reality is the same as mine - the quality is more than sufficient to be convincing to our senses. It isn't until we probe with instruments that we discover that space, time, energy and mass are quantitized. One way to understand this quantization is to suppose that the 3-D monitor, in which this virtual reality is displayed, has a finite repetition rate and a finite resolution.
In addition to this consideration, the idea (that we are in a virtual reality) has been spreading more quickly since 1993. On the off-chance that this idea has not yet come to your attention, the details of it can be found at:
Wikipedia, overview
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulism
Nick Bostrom, 2002
http://www.simulation-argument.com/
Brian Whitworth, 2007
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2008/01/vr-hypothesis.html?DCMP=NLC-nletterbanner&nsref=blogtech
One aspect of virtual realities is that they are not self-originated. If they were self-originated, then they would be natural realities, that is, realities without an originator. Another aspect is that virtual realities are not self-sustained. If they were self-sustained, then they would have become natural realities which is a contradiction by definition.
So if it were the case that this were a virtual reality, then it would logically follow that there is an originator of this virtual reality. It would also logically follow that this virtual reality would have a sustainer. In the case that the originator of this virtual reality were to be a character in another virtual reality, then the ultimate sustainer would be the originator of the virtual reality in which all other virtual realities were nested. Hence the contents of my prevous post in this thread.
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Carol Nistri
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Hi Herictic5 and welcome,now tell me,does this virtual reality have a right and wrong side to it,if I rob a bank am I actually responsible and if its all virtual reality with someone behind the curtain than how can I be blamed?
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dr wu23
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: a new view of Jesus |
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| Too many posts have been made in this thread for me to reply to each point in each one. So let me instead mention that we live in a virtual reality. One consequence of this situation is that intervention is a given, whether it appears to be a UFO, or something else. Even when there seems to be no intervention, there is; otherwise this virtual reality would not continue. This is because, by definition, no virtual reality is self-sustaining. Only a natural reality is self-sustaining. The only known natural reality is the entity who made and sustains the virtual reality in which all other virtual realities are nested. That is to say that said entity does not have an environment because space, time, mass and energy only exist in the imagination of that entity. So do we, albeit we exist in a virtual reality which is nested in another virtual reality. One consequence of this situation is that each originator of a virtual reality is a copy of the originator of all originators. Jesus became such a copy. All humans who ever were, are or will be will eventually be integrated into that copy. Some humans will have to be drastically refurbished before their integration. Hell is the refurbishment facility. |
I think someone has seen the Matrix films far too many times.
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heretic5
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Carol Nistri wrote: |
| Hi Herictic5 and welcome,now tell me,does this virtual reality have a right and wrong side to it,if I rob a bank am I actually responsible and if its all virtual reality with someone behind the curtain than how can I be blamed? |
Legitimate question. Let me therefore endeavor to provide a legitimate answer. The short answer would be: yes, this virtual reality has a right and a wrong side to it. Such a short answer leads to the question: how do I know that to be the case? That does not have an equally short answer. This longer answer might best begin by mentioning that it occurred to me that if this were a virtual reality, then the originator of all originators might have provided a message for us. It seemed to me if a message had been provided to us by such an entity, then the message would probably be considered to be sacred. With this thought in mind, I began to read sacred scriptures, in no particular sequence. While reading one, I realized that it warned that it had been altered. I further realized that I had previously read that warning in that scripture without my having realized what it had meant. So I checked, and found that my memory was correct, I had indeed previously read that warning in that scripture. Startled by the honesty (I could not recall that any other scripture I had read, had admitted that it had been altered, although all of them have been), I wondered if a remedy for the alteration had been included in addition to the warnng. An extensive search revealed that a remedy had indeed been provided in addition to the warning. So I used the remedy on that scripture, and thereby obtained what seems to be an unaltered version of a message from the originator of all originators. Upon scrutinizing the message which had been revealed by use of the remedy, I discovered that the message mentioned many topics. One of the topics was the topic of right and wrong. Although the entity that provided the message has a different take on what constitutes right and wrong than we usually do, robbing a bank would clearly qualify as being wrong. The implication is that we somehow have the ability to choose between right and wrong. Notwithstanding that implication, there nevertheless remain stark instances in which a person did not have a choice about that or anything else. So perhaps the best option would be to suggest to you that you read the message for yourself, and then decide for yourself what it means. The first chunk of it is available a http://greatriddle.flifree.com Yes, it does mention UFOs, and more than once, albeit it does not call them by that name, of course.
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dr wu23
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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It appears that the site linked to is a pro religious/Biblical one...is that correct..?
So then 'God' is the one who made this virtual reality...?
And this is a new idea because...?
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heretic5
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| dr wu23 wrote: |
| It appears that the site linked to is a pro religious one...is that correct..? |
Hm. Pro-religious? Well, if religious means a belief about divinity, then the site is pro-religious in that it presents information about a divinity in an affirmative manner. That is to say that I believe the information is correct, despite the fact that most of Christianity does not agree with me. Hence my use of the handle "heretic5".
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dr wu23
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| heretic5 wrote: |
| dr wu23 wrote: |
| It appears that the site linked to is a pro religious one...is that correct..? |
Hm. Pro-religious? Well, if religious means a belief about divinity, then the site is pro-religious in that it presents information about a divinity in an affirmative manner. That is to say that I believe the information is correct, despite the fact that most of Christianity does not agree with me. Hence my use of the handle "heretic5". |
Well..then this does not belong in the ufo section because it is an ontologic/metaphysical theory which belongs in the Religion forum.....unless you are saying that the ufo aliens are the ones who created this reality? If not then it ie religious in nature and should be moved to there where we can discuss the merits of a theological theory that is different from the common ones.
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heretic5
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, as to who made this particular virtual reality, it was made by a copy of the originator of all originators. As to who made what we call UFOs, some were made by the originator of this particular virtual reality, some were made by the originator of all originators, and some were made by other characters in this virtual reality. So I am a loss to know where this aspect of our situation might best be discussed.
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dr wu23
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| heretic5 wrote: |
| Well, as to who made this particular virtual reality, it was made by a copy of the originator of all originators. As to who made what we call UFOs, some were made by the originator of this particular virtual reality, some were made by the originator of all originators, and some were made by other characters in this virtual reality. So I am a loss to know where this aspect of our situation might best be discussed. |
Some of the problem is with the vagueness of your terms. 'Originator' signify's little as a concrete paradigm.
Do you equate that term with what most people call God? If so then this belongs in the Religion forum ;if you believe the 'originator' is an advanced biological life form then it belongs in the ufo section since that entity would be an alien by definition.
I still believe that your attempt at a cosmic ontological model sounds an awful lot like the Matrix films and imo is something that many here have already discussed years ago.
IMO it's something that is difficult to get into since it's not a model that can be verified in any known way and is pure speculation.
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