Ok,guys youve got to admit it,

**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3222

Hillary Clinton is one tough gal,shes thriving and radiant under circumstances that would have broken a lesser person,dont you find yourself admiring her just a little bit,I sure do.

**Revan** · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 134 Location: USA

I will agree with that, she is a tough woman. Staying in this long is amazing, but it is basically a losing battle now.
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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3222

but Revan,its as if she knows something,I dont know if shes got a surprise where Obama is concerned or its just her sense of entitlement Im seeing,but theres something odd about how she wont admit defeat when anyone else under the same circumstances would have at least bent a little.

**Skeptical** · Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject:

Hillary is a tough competitor and it must gall her to have Obama acting as though he already has the nomination. I think her massive victory in Kentucky yesterday (and West Virginia last week) shows that there are states in the Union that simply will not support Obama. Democrat Party chiefs would do well to remember that.

I've actually gained a lot of respect for Hillary during this process. I still think her husband is a horse's ass but I do respect her for her tenacity.

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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3222

welp,and this is just between us Paul.I have listend to Obama,as a matter of fact I listend the other day when he went thru the countries that represent a threat to us. And no Im not kidding,he said "Iran is just a tiny tiny country,(as if size matters,I wonder if hes ever heard of Germany and WW11?) He has a wonderful voice,its melodious strong and it sounds for all the world like the man behind the voice is the voice of reason.I sure hope so but Im afraid hes naive,more so than a leader of this country in these troubled times should be.Ive pictured in my minds eye this guy as the leader of the free world.Can you imagine what his first year will be like,how the military or the so called shadow government has to bring him up to snuff on how things really are in the world today? Shrugs,who knows maybe hes got the right idea but Id sure like to hear him actually say that hes willing to kick bass and take names should the need arise.I can see smoldering ruins of the White House and his melodious voice croaking out "Come,let us reason together...".

paulkimball · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:59 am Post subject:

**Skeptical** · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:13 am Post subject:

Naivete is a big concern of mine with Obama. Krushchev mistook Kennedy for a push-over and those misperceptions yielded the Cuban Missile Crisis, arguably the closest this planet has been to Armageddon. While I am not suggesting that the leader of the United States need to be a hard-ass, the savvy and opportunistic leaders of other nations must absolutely know that the US is willing to do what it takes to protect its friends and its interests.

To be brutally frank, I'm betting Putin and whoever the hell the guy is from China believe that Obama is a puss.

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**dr wu23** · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2158 Location: Indiana

I think Paul is being too hard on Clinton and Skeptical too hard on Obama. They aren't nearly as corrupt as the the current neo-con admin which I think could be the most corrupt (thought there have been others in the past for sure) and money grubbing bunch of people in the White House in American history.

Clinton is merely trying to keep her chances alive and that's what democracy and America is all about. IMO this nonsesne about her ruining the party is just more politics from those who think Obama is the second coming...and he ain't.
Having said that, Obama is not naive at all and is imo the smartest and shrewdest man to run for the office since Slick Willy.
I believe he is well aware of the serious issues of foriegn threats and is playing to the left who want to hear his brand of politics so he can get their votes and get them excited. When and if he gets in office we'll see he's a pragmatist but one who leans to the left on social issues.

My only concern is that McCain might get elected especially if the lunatics on the right try dirty tricks against Obama.
IMO, McCain is has shown he is unstable when it comes to his temper and related issues, not to mention the fact of his age which was also an issue with Reagan who many think was developing dementia before the end of his second term.
Why do corporations have mandatory retirement ages for employees , etc. but it's ok for the president to be an old man?
Wisdom does not automatically come with age...but dementia always does in time. Confused

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**Carol Nistri** · Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3222

Here Paul,heres McCains response to exactly what Obama said. Lets face it,Obams strong suit is not going to be best left to those he picks to cover these issues,there just not his strong points.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/McCain_says_Obama_downplays_Iran_threat.html

**Skeptical** · Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject:

McCain does come from long-lived stock. His mother in in her mid-90s and seems pretty spry to me. Still, his age does worry me. That is why it is absolutely critical for McCain to pick the right running mate if he hope to have a chance at winning.

At this point, however, I think the presidency is Obama's to lose.

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